Asian Students Under Assault

Seeking refuge from school violence

By G.W. Miller III
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Editor's note: Community organizers say 30 or more Asian were attacked Thursday, Dec. 3 at South Philadelphia High School. In September, PW's George Miller wrote this cover story about how Asian students are regularly targeted in Philadelphia schools.

Wei Chen sits at the table, opens his backpack and unloads folders full of paperwork documenting alleged abuses against Asian immigrant students at South Philly High.

“Sometimes it’s the same student in many fights,” says Chen, pointing to a day planner that is full of Chinese writing, listing the troubles of each particular day.

“Some kids get picked on a lot.”


Dozens of the alleged incidents are relatively minor—name-calling, verbal threats, petty robberies, random punches in the head while walking down stairwells, and general intimidation. But according to Chen, at least six times last school year those minor incidents escalated into massive rumbles where outnumbered Asian students were pummeled by packs of teens, sending several of the victims to hospitals. Like the day last October when a group of around 30 kids allegedly attacked five Chinese students after school in the Snyder Avenue subway station, one block from school. That incident started when a black student walked up to a Chinese kid in the cafeteria, touched his hair and allegedly threw a carton of milk at him. Rumors of threats filtered through the school on the day after the subway rumble, and the notion of continued violence froze Asian students. 


“That day, all the Chinese students were very scared,” says Chen, an 18-year old senior who formed the South Philadelphia High School Chinese-American Student Association in the days after the alleged subway attack. “Students avoided the lunch room. They were scared to walk home. They stayed in the ESOL (English for Speakers of Other Languages) department until their parents picked them up.”


Many Asian students continued living in fear for the remainder of the school year, even after one of the alleged subway assailants was identified on SEPTA cameras and transferred to another school. In a cry for help, scared students signed petitions, wrote letters, held meetings, staged a walkout and pleaded with school administrators to do something about the attacks.


But the violence at South Philly High, listed among the state’s “persistently dangerous schools” for the third consecutive year, continued.


The litany of abuses isn’t limited to South Philly High. Male and female Asian students—especially those new to the country, who speak little or fractured English—have been targeted over the past few years, in schools from the Northeast to South Philly, in elementary and high schools. Students and activists say that Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Pakistani and other Asian youth have been singled out, assaulted in cafeterias, hallways, on city streets, school buses and everywhere in between. 


Kids say the violence has often been dismissed by school safety officers as well as administrators. “This is a cultural problem,” Wei Chen claims the former principal at South Philly told Asian students on the day after the subway rumble.


District officials acknowledge that some situations weren’t handled well, leaving many students feeling abandoned.


“There’s a lot of mistrust,” says comprehensive high school regional superintendent Michael Silverman. The impact of the violence on such vulnerable populations can have a major impact on their lives, activists say.


“We’ve heard of students not going to school—as young as 8th and 9th graders,” says Khin Mai Aung, a staff attorney with the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund (AALDEF). 


“Some kids drop out. Others just become less involved and perform poorly. They can’t learn when they don’t feel safe.”


Where administrators or the School District intervened, improvements in student relations improved and the violence decreased—the number of overall violence in the district decreased by 17 percent last school year. But the culture of violence against Asian immigrants has existed for so long at some public schools that students almost accept that random beat downs are a part of life.


During the weeks prior to the subway rumble, there were numerous confrontations at South Philly High, according to student incident reports.


Eight students emptied the pockets and school bag of a Chinese student in the bathroom on Sept. 9, five days into the school year. The next day, Asian students were bombarded with oranges in the cafeteria. Several other students were robbed that month, or beat up. One Chinese student was punched in the left eye while walking through a hallway on Oct. 6. Another student was jumped in a stairwell the following day. During the week before the subway rumble, a Vietnamese student and his friend were jumped by 10 students, on several consecutive days, while walking home from school.


“They don’t even know you,” says Chen, who barely spoke English when he emigrated from China to Philadelphia in January 2007. “They just hit because you’re Asian.”


By Oct. 8, two days after the subway rumble, the Asian students were fed up. Nearly 70 students signed a petition demanding the school take action. They presented the petition to teachers and the principal. Then the Asian students walked out of school.


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1. Mike L said... on Sep 1, 2009 at 10:45PM

“Those perpetrators should be found and beaten. Racial discrimination should be stamped out. A-hole-ishness and xenophobia should be punished with a nice little lynching though”

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2. Anonymous said... on Sep 1, 2009 at 10:51PM

“Wow, how have time change. Black people should be the last group of people you think would attack a minority. They use the racist card when they get treated unfair and then goes around messing with Asian 0-o...

I remember walking home and a bunch of young black kids started to say some ching chong stuff ... Are kids getting dumber? Back when i was in school, kids were too young to discriminated by race... And when high school came along, girls were the primary focus...

Nice job with the new people in charge trying to change things. Im glad the other principals got replace. Parents need to teach their kids better too. This is what happen when kids start having kids.”

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3. Anonymous said... on Sep 1, 2009 at 11:57PM

“It is a good thing to read that the School District administrators are taking the problem seriously. But the numbers in the story talk about the total number of incidents that happened in a particular schools (all students no matter the ethnic background) so it might give off the wrong impression that this is a massive problem in all schools citywide.
Since Asian students make up less than 6 percent of the whole student population, the number of assaults have to be far fewer than those impacting African-Americans and other groups.”

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4. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 04:42AM

“When I was an elementary and middle school student in South Philadelphia, black students were assaulted by Italians going, during and after school much as Asians are today. At high school in Roxborough, we had to fight the Irish. And during college it was WASP students.

The sad reality is that racial and ethnic discrimination are part of our "less honorable" human condition. This are crimes born of ignorance, fear, lies and resentment.

Unless individuals from these communities show leadership in protecting the rights of these young people to go to school to learn, without fear of injury, I don't believe things can fundamentally change.

In my case, that courageous person was a little old Italian woman who came out of her house, broom in hand, and made the seven boys with sticks and bats stop beating me, and telling them she was going to tell their parents. I am grateful to that woman for protecting me, a complete stranger to her, and I try to follow her example in my life.”

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5. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 08:20AM

“Don't make this as a racist issue. Kids are always troublesome, where ever they are. I am an Asian. And I know how people are at school. And how come i didn't see any one bullying me or having a quarrel with me. I saw American students bullying their fellow Americans, you can't just post some thing like that. and if they don't do anything mischievous, then the kid is having trouble.”

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6. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 08:52AM

“This is the way it is now, I went to South Phila HS ten years ago and the violence was black on white, black on asian and black on black. My niece is in gradeschool and is harrassed by blacks already racially.

The difference is if it's blacks attacking non-blacks, everyone looks the other way and is afraid of being called a racist.”

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7. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 09:14AM

“This is not very strange. I'm an Asian guy as well. I went to school and got into fights nearly everyday. Those Blacks and Hispanic keep picking on Asian. I don't have problem with Whites or other Asian. The Whites just leave you alone, but the really nasty ones are Black and Hispanic. They keep picking on Asian. Especially when I first come to the United States and did not know English at the time. They beat me up everyday until I started to know how to complain to the teachers. Even when I know English, they still pick on Asian and I still got into fights nearly everyday.

The word "racist" used by Black people is over use. They are stupid trouble makers, criminals, arrogant, and hate other group of people. If Whites don't like you, they will just ignore you and leave you alone. The same with Asians. Blacks and Hispanics however likes to beat on people. They can't do anything to Whites so they pick on other races.

Just look at the criminals rate and see who is more civilized.

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8. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 10:29AM

“This is pathetic for Philadelphia. So first it's African Americans.. now Asians? I don't see anyone trying to fix this.

Myself & another young asian girl got harrased in old city on a Thursday at 7pm by 3 older white men outside of Plough & Stars - pathetic. We were minding our own business. It was a racial harassment. No one does anything about it.”

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9. AngeredASIAN... said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08AM

“I think it's absolutely ridiculous that these students are trying to get an education, and these senseless hooligans are attacking them. Is it the asian students fault that, the "Other" kids dont want anything outta life but a police record and 5 or 6 kids they don't take care of? I mean these are the children of the children of the children, Of Urban so-called parents who let there kids run the streets at all hours of the night. Then want to be on the news saying "My son was a good boy who never did any wrong". Im so tired of this. I wish Wilson Goode was Mayor again!!! MOVE”

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10. What a disgrace. said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 11:42AM

“I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU . I would never want to have kids in Philadelphia - if this is how it's going to be. And the city has done nothing to try to make this better, or even address it!!!!”

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11. Grace T said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 01:18PM

“Unfortunately this is a sad reality. The real culprit is ignorance. People need to realize that it is now 2009 almost 2010. The ignorance leads these students to think it is ok for them to lay their hands on another human being. There needs to be education not only in the schools but in the HOME. If anything the proper behavior and respect needs to be exemplified by parents/guardians for these kids to learn.

I was a senior at Temple University and would take the Orange Line to and from my South Philly apartment. One morning I was reading notes for a class and saw a teenage boy smack a teenage girl on the face and run off the train. It seemed as if there were no relations between her and the boy, him and his friends just thought it would be funny. Sadly enough the boy was black and the girl was Asian.

Common respect. Let's learn it and practice it.”

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12. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 01:26PM

“is this article supposed to be shocking? the philadelphia public school system is full of violent little savages who prey on the weak. i'm glad PW had the guts to print this article, the liberal media is always so wary of being politically incorrect, of being called racist. but we aren't blind, we know what goes on. animals, nothing more, nothing less.”

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13. MKZ said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 01:57PM

“I spent the last two years working at Fels, trying to make things a little bit better, and it was never easy. I'm glad this article illuminated a clear problem in school society, but I am saddened that the situation at Fels and other schools like it was oversimplified.

There are fights every day at Fels, sometimes as many as 8 or 9. Most students I knew at Fels had either feared getting in a fight or considered getting in a fight, no matter their age, gender, race, or ethnicity. The school building was in a state of disrepair, leaking everywhere, with bars on every window, broken glass, peeling paint, and an obvious disregard for the humanity of its students.

There are too many problems at Fels to count. But who is really to blame? Can we blame just the school district, or the employees? I think situations like the one at Fels are our collective responsibility to fix, so everyone, try getting your hands dirty at a school like Fels, then comment on this article.”

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14. Anonymous said... on Sep 2, 2009 at 07:35PM

“I've worked with public school children in North Philadelphia, and I'm not at all surprised by the report of such incidents. I hate broaching the subject of race or racism, largely because I don't believe in it. But when you work in an urban school setting where many of the students are black, it's hard to ignore patterns of behavior and speech from a certain group of people that just stand out for their sheer stupidity and complete lack of culture and respect. Let me tell you. I've learned from my experience that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Some of these children who display acts of violence don't know any better, because their parents don't know any better - they're just stupid and ignorant. It's a vicious cycle, and no amount of money, or funding or better teachers is going to solve these problems of "urban education". I recall a quote from the article to the effect of "it's a cultural issue." Yes, a lack of real culture among certain students, that is.”

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15. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 12:33AM

“What shocks me even more than this article are the comments in response. First, some are attributing violence to specific groups, thereby perpetuating racial stereotypes (e.g. "The Whites just leave you alone, but the really nasty ones are Black and Hispanic"). In addition, I can't believe people have the indecency to suggest such horrendous solutions as "an IQ test and then euthanizing the bottom 20% of the population". Before you criticize the failure of the schools and parents, you should reflect on your own flawed thinking, which will serve only to perpetuate these problems of racism and violence.”

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16. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 12:43AM

“If an integrated school cannot protect all of its students, namely the most vulnerable of whom are immigrants, than perhaps it would be best to segregate certain school districts. in the case of this article, segregating on race would be a possible solution. elsewhere, where it is less one race against another, segregate based upon performance. students there to learn should be with others like them. students aimed to disrupt and cause violence or threats should be with each other. there is no excuse for violence anywhere, much less school. how dare the public school system subject any of its students to anything less than a safe education.

those causing the problems are themselves uneducated and refuse to be educated. those who are victims are most often in school to learn. so segregate the schools into on for students with a desire for learning and one for those who are violent. why should dedicated students be subjected to fear in the very place they are supposed to learn.”

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17. Violent Asian said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 07:00AM

“look, everyone keeps saying the same stuff over and over again about how surprised they are by all this racist sh!t going on. I am an american born Chinese and have seen all sides of it. I have been attacked and been in fights with Whites, Other Asians and Blacks and various other people I couldn't pin-point there race. I've heard the stupid comments and on numerous and even recent occasions been asked the "what country are you from?" or had the backhanded complement "your english is really good" questions and comments thrown at me. So F@ck all of them. Part of the problem is people need to start sticking up for themselves. If the authorities and those supposedly in charge aren't going to help you. Then you need to take the next step "FIGHT BACK!". If your words don't get through to people then you have to protect yourselves buy any means necessary. This at least is one Asian that won't back down!!!!”

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18. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 09:24AM

“someone get al sharpton...these asian kids' faces are hurting the black kids' fists.”

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19. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29AM

“this is why we have a gang problem in the us”

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20. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29AM

“lol @ 22”

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21. CLS said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 12:06PM

“...won't be surprised if their is a rise in Asian gangs as a result of this. And the big wheel of of youth-violence and crime will continue to roll.”

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22. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 12:16PM

“No one is bringing up the point of the socioeconomic side of things. Fels has been on the list for dangerous schools for seven streak years. This alone signifies the lack of resources either in quality of teachers, books, and/or environment--in this particular chase, maybe a run-down school building.

What is happening here is very similiar to the LA Riots of the 90s, low income individuals fighting for the little resources that are out there. The ESOL students are easy targets as they are perceived as the one trying to "move in on the territory." I'm not saying this is what is going now, but it sure does seems that.”

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23. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 01:01PM

“I am a Chinese-American and this really frustrates me. I think the important thing here is to stick together and fight back. One thing that I regret not doing as a high school student was fighting back against the racists that picked on me. If you allow them to pick on you and be scared, then it won't stop. There's a difference between fighting back, and getting hurt, than not fighting back and getting hurt. You have to show the bully that you won't back down.”

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24. AngryAsianChick said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 01:18PM

“call 911 more, that's the solution. But schools want to protect their image and will sacrifice students at the expense of saving face.”

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25. AngryAsianChick said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 01:18PM

“call 911 more, that's the solution. But schools want to protect their image and will sacrifice students at the expense of saving face.”

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26. A Teacher said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 03:31PM

“As a Philadelphia High School teacher at a much safer school than Fels (Where I student-taught), I can tell you that community involvement with an open mind is part of the answer. And it must be more than a hollow challenge to the community. It must be action, not words. The way to raise a generation of students to be responsible members of the community is through the constant push for Volunteerism. (Not mandatory community service; that seems more like a sentence.) There must be a message conveyed of the importance of doing things for the sake of something other than a paycheck. I am an active volunteer, and I can tell you that the work that volunteers do in many different ways and places all over Philadelphia is INCREDIBLE. The only problem is that when weighed against the size of the total population, the amount of people who serve as volunteers is embarrassingly low. To quote JFK, "Ask not what your [city] can do for you; ask what you can do for your [city]."”

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27. Educated but mad Asian dude said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 04:08PM

“Racial profiling and targeting is as American as apple pie. When people in charge look the other way, the victims will continue to be harassed time and time again. In a way the school, teachers,etc.. should be held accountable for the vicious beatings and pay for all hospital costs. Any teacher that uses "Yo" as in "Yo Chinese" to call a student needs more education before they can be a teacher. Imagine an Asian teacher going "Yo African or Yo White", he/she would be out of a job at the end of the month why should a black teacher get away with it? So disrespectful!!!”

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28. DL said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 04:36PM

“I don't know how Philly is, but this reminds me of how the Bay Area was when I was young. The Asian/Chinese community was large but hadn't expanded to all parts of San Francisco like it is now. I was harassed a lot by non-Asians in the past. However, as time passed and the Chinese live all over SF, I think the incidents occur less and less. Why? Because everyone started to interact with each other. Black, white, Asian and Hispanic kids all play sports and do other things together.

A lot of what is happening in Philly is the same as it has always been (like the article mentions). The older generation of people (non-Asians) see all the Asians coming in and feel they are a "threat" or "taking over". The older generation's biases feed down to the kids, who act out their aggressions on their classmates.”

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29. Anonymous said... on Sep 3, 2009 at 10:12PM

“If this happened in rural Texas and black students were being beaten, there would be a national uproar. Minority students being racist, let's call it what it is. I like how the quasi scholar from Yale tries to dismiss this as a turf issue. Just because a particular culture has been discriminated against in the past doesn't give them a free pass with regard to ignorance, violence, and corruption. Unfortunately, as long as race issues in the US are defined on a "black anger/ white fear" axis, no one else will have a voice.”

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30. Anonymous said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 04:41AM

“There is too much "trash" in Philadelphia. Please interpret that with as much racial insensitivity/hatred as possible.


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31. White man in DC said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 08:08AM

“I am waiting for the next Columbine in that school. You poke a dog too much, one day it will bite your ass.

Just like anything else, Jessie and Al are not on this unless when black are victims. The most racist people in America is black people.”

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32. Anonymous said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 11:39AM

“I am glad that Philly Weekly and the author of this article, GW Miller, brought attention to the issue of anti-Asian racism which too often is dismissed or ignored. Most people would say there is no anti-Asian bias in this society or they play it down. My only complaint with the article is that it gives the impression that this is mostly about the Asians being immigrants. But you don't see a lot of anti-Jamaican or anti-Carribean attacks, because those groups are mostly blacks. And I wouldn't just focus on kids and students being racist against Asians--society as a whole is. 90% of the time, when you see an Asian on TV or in a movie, he's a villain or an outsider. They're never human beings. Just look at movies like Gran Torino, Crossing Over, Fast and Furious, and Crash--most of the Asians are gang members and criminals, and the only 'good' characters are kids (like in Gran Torino) or weak, helping characters like that guy who gets killed off in F&F Tokyo Drift.”

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33. Anonymous said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 11:52AM

“A public education is the right of every American -- native-born or immigrant. But when we tolerate student violence, we are allowing that right to be destroyed by thugs. The right to a public education means NOTHING if students are not protected against violent disruption, as we see here.

School administrators need to adopt a zero-tolerance-for-violence policy. When a student violently attacks another student, the attacker ought to be removed from school and criminally punished. School administrators need to have the courage to protect students from violence -- even if they risk being called racist for doing so. That's a small price to pay for keeping students who want to learn safe.

People of all colors have to stand up and prevent a violent minority from destroying public education for the peaceful majority.

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34. Alex Wei said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 05:10PM

“These black students must be put in jail for the safety of Chinese business and other Asian Americans. They are career criminals and will forever stay that way. Without the drive to learn or succeed, they are nothing but savage, barbaric beasts that should remain behind prison walls where the majority of them flourish. The Asian American community should not tolerate such dangerous actions from Godless animals without actions. We should teach our kids to defend themselves from such tyranny. In many Asian communities, Blacks rob and vandalize Asian businesses and properties for joy. They have been in this country longer, yet they are less accomplished because they are lazy and immoral by nature. Whether it is the Western or Eastern part of the country, all you hear is Blacks preying on Asians because we refuse to fight back and defend ourselves. THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT RACISM FROM THE ANGELO SAXONS, YET THEY PREY ON US BECAUSE THE HAVE NO MOTIVE IN LIFE BESIDES A LIFE OF CRIME.”

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35. Anonymous said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 06:14PM

“this is a culturally based issue. these are young ignorant kids who dont get it, are raised in racist families, and develop prejudices because of peer influence and pressure, they are social outcasts who feel alone without a group to belong in so they look towards racial differences to separate themselves and to define themselves.

we have to encourage individual growth instead of all the institutional shit thats going on”

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36. said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 07:04PM

“鸡蛋里挑骨头 – Picking at bones in a chicken egg – Seeing things that aren’t there”

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37. mute said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 09:44PM

“Depressing article. Depressing comments. Wish I could say I was surprised to see some of the ugly comments about black kids and public school students, but that's the internet for you.

Nevertheless, I am upset to hear about the racist abuse that Asian students are receiving in South Philly High and other schools. Reading how the teacher called for one of the students as "Yo Chinese" is also pretty damn appalling. While I understand the focus of the article is on the Asian students, it would have been interesting if G. W. Miller had been able to get into contact with some of the bullies or their parents and see if he could get them to explain why they thought this behavior was okay. Are these kids that have only attacked Asian students? Are they just violent students in general and Asian students are just one of the many people on the receiving ends of their violence?

Hopefully there's still opportunities in Philly schools to foster positive relationships between our groups.”

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38. Anonymous said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 10:30PM

“For all the hateful/ dehumanizing/ racist/ offensive comments: such thinking is part of this very problem of hate. The PW article itself is racially polarizing by turning this into an issue that is between Asians and Blacks, when in fact White children were also attacking Asian students. The children who were attacked and the children who did the attacking have one important thing in common: they are children. These children are being educated in schools with a lack of resources and accountability. If we think of all children as our own, then instead of blaming a “scapegoat”, we would take action. Such violence isn't just the problem of the children’s parents, the school, law enforcement; it's the problem of every citizen because these children are the future, and if we don't invest our time in them now then we will only help the problem persevere. Let’s get involved in our communities and make a difference!”

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39. JewishLeftist said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 11:32PM

“I think this article deserves zero stars, and if I was allowed to, I'd rate it as such. There are incidents of black-on-asian racism, but also incidents of cross-ethnic violence everywhere in Philly and the nation. The article fails to discuss how Asians themselves might be racist, provoking African-Americans to fight back. For example, for about 20 years now, Asians have taken away seats from blacks at high-ranking universities, unfairly I might add. Not only that, it doesn't discuss white attacks against Asians. This is unfortunate racist-fascist agitrprop which is seeking to side with the "light-skinned, better-off" Asians (which the author seemingly sees as more fit) and demonize the "dark-skinned, lower-middle-class" African-Americans. Moreover, the article has invited all sorts of racist comments about how African-Americans are criminals. This is not true, and has been debunked by scientists over the yea”

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40. JewishLeftist said... on Sep 4, 2009 at 11:33PM

“To continue my previous comment,

The next time you read about an African American or Hispanic who committed a crime, don't blame the African American or Hispanic, instead blame the majority white population. Whites have historically oppressed people-of-color; this has been occurring for hundreds of years. Oppressed people have limited opportunity for education, employment, promotion, advancement, etc. Such oppression unfortunately manifests itself in the form of violent crime. Ultimately, whites are responsible for such crime.”

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41. violentasian said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 07:42AM

“Let me guess JewishLeftist Description: "white kid from the suburbs with Dreads mist likely from Jersey who has decided to move to the city because of there cultural awareness", "maybe Walks around with his dirty squatter friends at free Mumia protests chanting "Mumia Burns, Philly Burns!". Been Around a long time and seen them all come and go. you have some serious "White Guilt" going on. Granted, I am making a d!ckhead comment. but the article was only pointing out examples and facts. And you do like to call blacks poor and lower class.”

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42. Anonymous said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 09:42AM

“Man there's some craziness going on this post. Racist rants here only make the situation worse people.
To correct JewishLeftist, Asian students aren't taking seats away from blacks at upper tier universities. Actually, Jewish people are the most overrepresented in upper tier universities with respect to the US population. Jewish people (great people, great culture by the way) can blend in if they want to. They are caucasian when it is convenient and minorities when they need to be. Most ivy league universities have a quota on the limit of Asian students they will take. This is real and racist. No such quota for Jews (though there was back in the day and that was wrong as well). The rest of the minorities have to fight it out for those "token" spots.”

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43. JewishLeftist said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 11:06AM

“Actually, both whites and asians are overrepresented. At Temple for example, which is taxpayer funded, only 15% of the student population is African-American, whereas locally African-Americans make up almost 45% of the population, and non-Hispanic whites make up only 39.4% of the population. But whites are still the dominating group at Temple. Asians make up only about 4% of the local population, but are 10% of the student population. So, taking into account local demographics, Whites and Asians are both overrepresented by a factor of two. If you go to places like UPenn and Drexel, that number is only going to increase.”

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44. JewishLeftist said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 11:06AM

“Actually, both whites and asians are overrepresented. At Temple for example, which is taxpayer funded, only 15% of the student population is African-American, whereas locally African-Americans make up almost 45% of the population, and non-Hispanic whites make up only 39.4% of the population. But whites are still the dominating group at Temple. Asians make up only about 4% of the local population, but are 10% of the student population. So, taking into account local demographics, Whites and Asians are both overrepresented by a factor of two. If you go to places like UPenn and Drexel, that number is only going to increase.”

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45. JewishLeftist said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 11:06AM

“Actually, both whites and asians are overrepresented. At Temple for example, which is taxpayer funded, only 15% of the student population is African-American, whereas locally African-Americans make up almost 45% of the population, and non-Hispanic whites make up only 39.4% of the population. But whites are still the dominating group at Temple. Asians make up only about 4% of the local population, but are 10% of the student population. So, taking into account local demographics, Whites and Asians are both overrepresented by a factor of two. If you go to places like UPenn and Drexel, that number is only going to increase.”

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46. Pen said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 01:26PM

“JewishLeftist, you're right that Asian Americans are overrepresented in higher education and that as an overall racial group, their SES (socioeconomic status) is higher than the average American.

However, I don't think the violence described in this article is the result of a conscious effort or frustration of socioeconomic difference/inequality. The Asian Americans attacked in these situations are often as poor, if not poorer, as their white and black counterparts (thus living in the same neighborhood and going to the same schools). There are significant social class differences within the Asian American community.

The Asian American community in South Philadelphia faces a myriad of social problems far from the middle-upper class backgrounds of many of the students at UPenn and like universities. As an Asian American born and raised in South Philadelphia who moved to Boston as a young adult, I can personally testify to the stark contrast.”

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47. Pen said... on Sep 5, 2009 at 01:40PM

“(cont...)

I think the problem of anti-Asian violence in Philadelphia is rooted in two things: 1) Asian Americans living in an neighborhoods with high rates of violence irregardless of race and 2) xenophobia. I agree with some observers that getting harassed and assaulted isn't an exclusive to Asian Americans in Philadelphia. The rate of black-on-black violence, for example, is a horrific and perpetual problem. But that doesn't mean that Asian Americans aren't being singled out and aren't deserving of particular attention.

I want to point out a contradiction in attempts to identify the causation of anti-Asian violence: we are stereotyped as quiet people yet the provocateurs of street violence. If there is frustration stemming from perceived socioeconomic difference and inequalities, I don't think violence is the way to express it nor does it solve anything.”

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48. Anonymous said... on Sep 6, 2009 at 06:05PM

“OK with comments like that you lot need help, and you should be thrown into jail as well (arseholes). In general you asians are a closed community, and you have problems anywhere you go because of your attitudes, which I personally think is the reason why (not that I am condoning the bullying) this is happening I have read the history of the LA riots and if you immigrate to a poor community and you don't try to assimilate, you will have problems in places like, i Don't know school!
Bullying is part of growing up if you experienced racism or bullying by a particular community deal with it or leave. I think this article is biased and is making this a racial issue when it is about kids in a poor school bullying (by all races).I could start calling asians names with the comments I've read but I won't stoop your level. What you are doing is also bullying. DON'T STEREOPTYPE AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A BAD EXPERIENCE SHOWS HOW UNINTELLIGENT YOU ARE.”

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49. Doug said... on Sep 8, 2009 at 11:07AM

“Alex Wei You sound just as ignorant and stupid as any racist I have run across. Think before you type.”

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50. Anonymous said... on Sep 8, 2009 at 12:44PM

“@50
Asians are under no requirement to make any changes in their culture or how they live to "assimilate" into "your" neighborhoods. Asian immigrants, particularly in Philadelphia, have consistently shown an ability to overcome language, cultural and class barriers to become productive members of society.
South Philly was a dying shithole before the Vietnamese came in the 70s, they (and the other South East Asians later) turned a lot of neighborhoods that most had given up on around. I live in an Irish neighborhood and we should be so lucky to have Chinese immigrant neighbors. They're well mannered, bring businesses and clean. Who gives a shit if they're a "closed community"?
What's an "open community"? A community that beats up kids for doing well in school, a community that wantonly mugs people, that thinks the streets are trash cans, that beats their kids in stores, that screams profanity and blasts music at all hours of the night? I think we all know what community that is.”

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51. Anonymous said... on Sep 8, 2009 at 02:38PM

“No we don't, why don't you enlighten us? Like (commentor 50) said If you don't ike your neigbourhood leave and no nobody said that asians are under any obligation to assimilate no community is. But if you are an immigrant it is a good idea to to try and get along with people in your community be they black or white. Honestly no one is condoning this, but if they are being targeted say something but don't point the finger at a race of people it shows how racist you really are.. WTF are you talking about beating kids for doing well and all that bullshit. You seem to think you know alot about the black community, but then what should I expect you're Asian.”

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52. Pen said... on Sep 8, 2009 at 06:57PM

“@53 - none of the asian americans interviewed in this article ever singled out black people. did you even read it? the author of the article documented incidents and noted the races of victim and perpetrators.

troll.”

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53. cn2004 said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 11:37AM

“hey jewishleftist, i know absolutely nothing about you except for one thing. you've never set foot in a black neighborhood. every comment about blacks and their criminal and violent behavior is called racist. but it's never called untrue.”

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54. Anonymous said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 04:25PM

“When I complained about being a victim of verbal abuse/racism to my father, he told me of an incident in Beijing 20 years ago. When my dad first went there as a graudate student, there were a few times on the bus when a beijing local would look down on my dad because of his non-beijing accent and tell him to go back to the farm where he came from.

my dad told me of another story of some hooligans who were taunting and beating other random students up in his middle school in china. The leader of the bunch was a son of a local wealthy businessman, so no one dared fight back. One of the class leaders, a popular and academically talented kid, organized the entire class to trick the head of this bunch to go to the class alone. The guy showed up, and the mob descended upon the guy and beat him to a pulp. The kid was paralyzed for the rest of his life. The police half heartedly tried to find out who the perpetrators were, but no one said talked.

the masses will fight back.”

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55. Karen Johnson said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 05:06PM

“At the turn of the 20th century famed scholar WEB Dubois wrote the prophetic statement, “The problem of the twentieth century is the problem of the color-line,--the relation of the darker to the lighter races of men in Asia and Africa, in America and the islands of the sea.” He later indicated that his statement should be understood beyond the narrow confines of color/race/culture and rather, should be applied to all forms “human hate and prejudice” perpetrated across groups. Approximately 100 years later, the profound truth of DuBois’ words reverberates across the globe and the enmity it points to daily scorches the hearts and minds of men and women, boys and girls. We have all been hurt by racism, along with a plethora of other "isms", and the ultimate incorrect response to this type of pain is to castigate an entire group.”

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56. Karen Johnson said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 05:07PM

“A careful study of every group's history --- Native Americans, Jews, Africans, individuals living in the African Diaspora, Asians, Serbians, the Irish, Bosnians, Palestinians to name just a few --- reveals unspeakable crimes being perpetrated within and across groups. Should I dismiss an entire group of Asians because of the recent atrocities committed by Jiverly Wong, the individual who shot 13 people in Binghamton, NY at an immigration services center before taking his own life? The most obvious answer is no. The same can be said of every other group. Rather than pointing accusing fingers (which ultimately further alienates and divides), perhaps a more meaningful response might be to recognize that people of every hue, language, cultural background, and socioeconomic status are capable of inflicting tremendous pain. We are all also capable of incredible good.”

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57. Karen Johnson said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 05:08PM

“Please do not misunderstand my statements. I do not mean to ignore the very real pain that motivated some of the more emotion-laden reactions to this article. As a social worker, I recognize that the angry comments are prompted in part by pain. While honoring your pain however, as well as the pain that I too have experienced at the hands of racism, my commitment to myself and to the world --- those who look like me and those who do not, is to recognize that we are all capable of extraordinary ‘good’ and ‘bad’. I also commit to doing my absolute best to understand, and then work to undermine, the forces that constrain the potential for good we all inherently possess.”

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58. Pen said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 07:05PM

“@Karen: I respect your compassion and sincerity. I also agree that all human beings are capable and having demonstrated an ability to act violently. I'm Asian American and have been threatened and bullied by people of all races (including other Asian Americans). I have also experienced amazing acts of compassion and love from people of all races (including blacks and other Asian Americans).

However, I think we must remain statistically honest about how and where violence occurs in a particular situation to effectively solve it. By addressing and acknowledging the fact that Asian American youth are perpetually targeted for bullying by black youth in South Philadelphia does not mean that I am saying that this does or will occur in every context. I am framing a problem by identifying where it is occurring, identifying the individuals and groups, the nature of their relationship(s), and analyzing the rate and nature of violence in a particular space and time.”

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59. Pen said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 07:22PM

“(cont...)

At the moment, we are addressing anti-Asian violence in South Philadelphia. It seems to occur where black youth are instigating violence and taunting toward Asian American youth at a much higher rate than the other way around. This does that mean that I am generalizing black youth nor Asian American youth. I am addressing and acknowledging reality of race and youth relations in South Philadelphia.

Let us not trivialize a serious problem for the sake of vengeance or peace. Rather, we must struggle to build a peaceful and healthier community for everyone (regardless of race or class), but with honesty evaluation, communication and acknowledgment.”

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60. Pen said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 08:08PM

“"This does that mean that I am generalizing black youth nor Asian American youth" is meant to say

"This does not mean that I am generalizing black youth nor Asian American youth.”

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61. glad i moved said... on Sep 9, 2009 at 11:11PM

“my mom's friend's husband, a 60 yr old asian man was beaten by a random group of teens on a SUNDAY AFTERNOON in n. 5th st. he wasn't a small guy, so he fought back and held onto a girl till the cops came. the girl's mom was a cop, who took her away, that was that. he was sent home.he talked to a lawyer, but found he couldn't do anything w/o the minority community leader, who was abroad at that time. he's probably back now, but the person i speak of is now fed up. we're all struggling, we dont need all this bs stress.unlike Pen,i AM generalizing, and stereotyping the black youth of philly,the majority of them atleast.they'll hate on u no matter how old you are.why do you think every 1st generation asian immigrant is afraid of black ppl?how long ago did they immigrate, yet they still feel that way.it's been going on since they've been here.I can't count with my own fingers how many elderly asians i PERSONALLY know that have been robbed/beaten by blacks.city of brotherly love?bullsh*t”

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62. Pen said... on Sep 11, 2009 at 01:44PM

“@"glad i moved said"

I have had the same experiences, too, as well as my family. I personally know it is extremely hard to talk about, or even imagine, peace when you are living where all the violence is happening. I know that, realistically, that it is a hard sell to ask people to forgive and work together when the bullying continues.

But I know that this problem is not new and the attempts to "fight fire with fire" never changed anything. I grew up with the Asian gangs in Philadelphia and that phenomenon, meant to protect Asian youth from non-Asian youth, ended up creating a culture where Asians were/are killing Asians. Moving out of the city didn't change anything either except leave the remaining families more vulnerable.

We must continue to focus on friendship between all communities in South Philadelphia. I'm not saying that it's easy - perhaps far from it. There is no easy solution nor am I clear of the "best" plan but I know that more violence and hate is the worst plan.”

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63. Americanized said... on Sep 12, 2009 at 06:47AM

“This is a very ugly article, but brutally true. In my school experience, by far the worst most violent racist was a black kid. The white kids were also racist, but theirs was playful and mocking, but never evil like the black kid's racism. Norman Podhoretz had a great essay many years ago titled, "my negro problem and ours" which mirrors what many asian kids go through (btw Jewishleftist, suck it, affirmative action policies take away seats from asian kids, who have the double whammy of being discriminated against in society and by AA policies).

In my opinion, whites aren't comfortable, for good reason, of vilifying blacks, hence the author's assertion that the students were reluctant to finger blacks as the culprit. Blacks tend to wallow in self-pity over their current state and the Atlantic Passage. We all know that the worst bullies are the self-pitying ones.

While causation is not correlation, when it's your personal well-being at stake, subtleties are a luxury.”

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64. Pen said... on Sep 13, 2009 at 09:33PM

“@Americanized

Thanks for the Podheretz article. It is, amazingly, honest and relevant today. The experiences he describes are strikingly similar to the stories of inner-city Asian Americans in poverty.

I also agree with his conclusion that interracial marriage, is the best solution, as it is perhaps the most intimate form of bringing families and communities together. However, I'm against marriage as political strategy and would hope that couples are finding themselves in sincere love.”

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65. silverbullet said... on Sep 15, 2009 at 07:55AM

“If it wasn't race the kids would be beating each other up over something else. The problem is you have massive groups of violent kids all in one school.

Give them all an IQ test and some sort of "violence test" and move the smart, level headed kids to a different school so this bullshit doesn't mess up their life. Let the hot headed morons beat eachother into oblivion, half of them will be dead in 10 years anyway.”

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66. silverbullet said... on Sep 15, 2009 at 08:00AM

“Or- have a zero tolerance policy towards violence. Kick the violent students out of school for good.

Cut the schools in half, take the leftover money and KEEP THE DAMN LIBRARIES OPEN so people who want to learn have the resources they need, instead of wasting money on people who come to school to fight.”

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67. Anonymous said... on Sep 15, 2009 at 01:58PM

“its sad, but America was built on BS like this happening. The same thing happened to the Irish when they became "americanized", they were treated like the blacks at first. Then the puritan-angelo saxons began to accept them because hey, "at least they are white". In short, the Irish felt like they had to treat black people like their fellow caucasian brothers. I think this situation sounds very similiar.”

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68. americanized said... on Sep 16, 2009 at 06:37AM

“The most outrageous aspect of this article is how it goes out of its way to avoid stating the obvious: the blacks are targeting the asians for racial reasons, thus causing a variety of social problems among the targeted. This after all is the same paper that employs a columnist who stated that he moved from a midwestern college town to Philadelphia for the sole reason so as he could be closer to black people -- such a blithely STUPID liberal sentiment (and yes, I voted for Obama)

Anyways, the "expert" in this case is a black sociologist prof who is undoubtedly already biased in favor of the black kids, and so tries to ameliorate the role of the black persecutors. Why not ask a psychologist about the negative effects this will have on the asian kid's long-term development? but of course, it's a white paper unaccustomed to portrayals of blacks outside of its preconceived conception of them as noble victims, amplified by the fact that for white america...asians aren't that sympathetic.”

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69. will-to-flower said... on Sep 16, 2009 at 01:13PM

“These poor Asian kids are like hostages in these zoo schools. My heart goes out to them. One hopes they will use these horrendous experiences as motivation to succeed in life so their kids don't have to go through the same thing. P.S. If these were white thugs doing this to blacks, this newspaper would have NO problem identifying the racial character of the violence and intimidation.”

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70. Americanized said... on Sep 16, 2009 at 03:29PM

“Furthermore, yes, a large part of the intimidation is about territory and outsiders coming in. The way it's worded by the black sociology prof. he makes it sound like the asians are invading black territory and the black kids are doing the natural thing in reacting against them.

Well, sorry, but you could break down the history of white racism against black people in exactly the same terms: xenophobia, provincialism, territory, etc. If this isn't racism, then racism doesn't exist. In any case, this is the real reason people move away to the safety of the suburbs. It's not about bigotry -- it's about personal well-being.”

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71. Ray said... on Sep 17, 2009 at 04:25AM

“Asian students being assaulted should not be treated solely as a social problem, but as a criminal problem. Superintendent Silverman, what you have is not "really an interesting case study". What you have is "really an emergency". When children are having their necks and faces broken, you don't have time to "build a consensus". If I were you, I would hire an undercover security force to trail some well protected Asian decoys. When the young thugs are captured, they should be locked up in juvenile centers to learn Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, and Respect. Only when they turn eighteen and are reformed should they be released. The teens remaining at school will be able to learn in safety and peace. Principal Brown, we can "celebrate our differences" until we become giddy and drop. But at the same time it should be made perfectly clear that if you're not with the program, violent acts mean you will lose your freedom. And finally to Mr. Anderson, the academic from Yale: This group violence is not "a human thing". It's an animal thing. As I gather from the cable news channels you have your own security problem at Yale to take care of.

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72. Existing said... on Sep 17, 2009 at 09:02PM

“America is advanced in many aspects socially compared to most of the world, but sadly human nature makes every society very visual.

I am an Asian-American female who has lived in Philadelphia my whole life. I have been ill-treated for no reason by Blacks, Whites, Hispanics and even other Asians. Despite such hate towards me for just Existing, I would like to think I am still a very ideal person and I believe with all my heart that every person should be treated with respect when shown respect.

It makes me very distraught that Racism is an active part of many of our lives whether we're Asian, Black, White, or Hispanic.
I am a firm advocate of the power of education, where tolerance and self-respect can be incorporated in the curriculum at a very young age and throughout your academic career. It won't solve racism but it's a step towards a positive direction. Change doesn't happen overnight.”

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73. Anonymous said... on Sep 20, 2009 at 07:21PM

“Yeah Bro' it's just the "culture" right? Wasn't too long ago that Lynching. beatings, and being attacked by police dogs was part of the "culture". You are dealing with people who venerate ignorance and violence and blame everyone else for their situation. Of course they really don't commit 98o/o of
street crime, it's a lie put out there by "the man".”

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74. Pen said... on Sep 21, 2009 at 03:11PM

“Another thing to note is the relationship between first and second generation African immigrants and African Americans with ancestry in American slavery. There is sometimes good relationship between the two communities as they share a common ancestry and some similar experiences. But there has also been horrible relations between the two groups.

African immigrant youth who do not culturally "assimilate" into African American communities are also the target of bullying and violence by African American youth. I've heard African American 'scholars' blame African immigrants for being "isolationist" and judgmental of African Americans as a reason why African American youth bully African immigrant youth.

But as Asian American youth, African immigrant youth from certain countries are stereotypically seen as studious and quiet. It's interesting to see, despite the same 'phenotype' of Af Am youth, being treated the same way as Asian American youth by Af Am youth.”

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75. Anonymous said... on Sep 24, 2009 at 04:02AM

“These things happens everywhere, like pakistans and India, black on black, white on white and so on. I think in my opinion is that why the blacks pick on Asians are because they look weak, quiet, keep things to themselves and/or don't know much English. Or maybe because in their eye, they are just funny looking because of their looks, but I am confused because most of the time, I see Chinese people being bullied more then any other Asians like Vietnam and vietnamese and Cambodian people, i even see Cambodian people pick or robbed Chinese people. Do these Cambodian look at the Chinese like black people ? Were they raised like them, stereotyping chinese? All I know from my knowledge is that this is like a cycle of some sort, being Americans and having to face many challenges throughout life.......

Please excuse my english grammers, thank you

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76. Pen said... on Sep 28, 2009 at 07:11PM

“Article on conflict between African immigrants and African American youth in Southwest Philly: http://www.thenotebook.org/fall-2008/087/student-ambassadors-tackle-divide-between-africans-african-americans

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77. Anonymous said... on Sep 28, 2009 at 07:21PM

“This is why you can't have public schools. I say we disband the Department of Education and refund everyone their tax money. There will be obvious demand for education, so new, better private schools will be started driving costs down and quality up. Best of all, parents can be assured that if they send their child to these sorts of schools they won't be dealing with riff raff that don't want to learn and want to disrupt the advancement of others.”

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78. Anonymous said... on Oct 7, 2009 at 11:07AM

“At the end of the day, it's not too much about race but working class kids fighting each other for limited resources. You won't see a lot fights in schools with adequate teachers. Reach out to the kids or the community organizations they are affiliated with, be their resources, and connect them to other resources.”

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79. Hizzo said... on Oct 9, 2009 at 03:40AM

“Its funny when its a group of black kids beating on asian kids its not about race, but when its white kids beating on black kids its racist. Respect for other people should be taught at home not at school. If I got assualted I'd press charges on the kid and his/her mom, cause I know daddy ain't there. @FakeJewtotheleft:"Asians themselves might be racist, provoking African-Americans to fight back" Are you serious?
@Pen:Thanks for the 15 bucks”

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80. Anonymous said... on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:34PM

“What it boils down to is ignorance. If its not one crime against one person its another.Society is making it look ok to beat or cause harm to others. I hate it for the people who come here and the first thing they witness about america is violence over such a stupid thing as race or difference. In my opinion blacks and hispanics should be the last people trying to discriminate considering all the violence we dealt with in the past its nothing but a on going circle.”

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81. Anonymous said... on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:38AM

“to Jewish Leftist's comment: Asians themselves might be racist, provoking African-Americans to fight back.

Have you noticed you just stereotyped the whole Asian population? As a Jew, you should know this is wrong and dangerous.”

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82. Anonymous said... on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:47AM

“to other Angry Asians:

It is painful to see the youth going through what we had gone or sometimes are still going through. But some of the comments you made will not help to ease the situation. In fact, they will bring more resentment and retaliation. Think of a more constructive way to express yourself and get involved so the kids can get some help.”

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83. 2u-all said... on Nov 10, 2009 at 01:21PM

“i think we all should go back to where we come from and ask the Native American to come back home...We come here to make a better live instead we are destroying each other. this society or this life style even the system in America is not appropriate any more for the foreigners...Let us go home and be at peace.”

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84. Big Willie said... on Dec 4, 2009 at 09:47AM

“The funny thing is that the Asian community as a whole harbors predjudiced feelings towards Blacks and Latinos, and they somehow think that the latter groups are supposed to be totally unaware of it. LOL! The simple fact is that Asians mimic the attitude of racist 19th century White Americans, which Blacks have been taught over the centuries to be intolerant of. We know what those sideways looks and whispers are about, and it only provokes the Black and Latino youth to act on it. Yeah it's true that Whites will avoid Asians, because they can't stand them either, but Blacks and Latino youth are gonna have something to say to your face if you want to look down on them. God bless there souls.”

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85. JoshChicago said... on Dec 4, 2009 at 03:11PM

“wow, i was really surprised to read this article - shows how much things have not really changed even in 2009. racism continues to exist. what's interesting here is that we have a group that usually has no problem voicing their injustices now threatening another ethnic group - in this case, asians who are from abroad or born here in the states.

the school administrators should be ASHAMED and those who are couraegous enough need to take action and protect these students who have the right to a fair education - without the risk of being attacked or ridiculed. the teachers, parents and student "protectors" need to stand up.

to those asian students who might be reading this, please remember: this too shall pass. keep your HEADS UP and remember that those who commit injustices will NEVER go unpaid for their actions. i wish you all strength and know that there are those around the country who are thinking of you - and hope those around you (namely in Philly) will stand up and fight for you. this country was founded on doing what is right.”

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86. Anonymous said... on Dec 4, 2009 at 04:45PM

““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.””

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87. Big Willie is a racist....... said... on Dec 4, 2009 at 05:10PM

“Big Willie, It should read God bless their souls, not “there” souls. "Sideways looks and whispers", sounds like you need to be medicated before going out in the morning. How are you able to equate a beating to subtle looks that may be innocent; and only because of your schizophrenia and egocentrism do you think it’s about you? You are a paranoid racist who needs to kept far away from the rest of civilized society.”

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88. I have a Dream.... Not this Dream! said... on Dec 4, 2009 at 08:25PM

“"I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together."

~Martin Luther King, Jr.

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89. Word of advice said... on Dec 5, 2009 at 01:09AM

“Do not pick on people simply because they look vulnerable and will not fight back, you may be working for them one day if you don't stop trying to be ghetto gangster get yourself an education. Just because you don't want to learn, don't beat up those that do. How disappointed Martin Luther King would be had he seen what's going on to his people. Those kids propbably were never properly educated about their own history. South Philly High should have a class for black kids on I Have a Dream speech.”

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90. Anonymous said... on Dec 5, 2009 at 11:01AM

“If the school administrators refuse to protect the Asian students, then they should protect themselves by any means necessary.”

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91. Anonymous said... on Dec 5, 2009 at 05:32PM

“like wtf ma cousin all up in this shit..like Non is my family and stuff..these people just need to leave the asians the fuck alone..like they need to protect the damnn asian students..like what if am next?”

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92. PMN said... on Dec 5, 2009 at 07:24PM

““It’s a human thing,” Anderson continues. “It could be Asians who get jumped. It could be blacks. It could be white, Italian, Jewish, whatever, if you know what I mean. This is not unique to blacks and Asians.”


Who does "Yale University sociologist Elijah Anderson" think he's kidding? The problem is almost exclusively owned & perpetrated by blacks. Nothing will be fixed unless it is honestly assessed. I did notice out in Los Angeles (while living there for twenty years) once Hispanic numbers rose in the schools, they fought back- much as they do in prison. Lock-downs in both prisons and schools are a frequent result.

Asian immigrant parents must make a rational decision if they wish to have their kids emerge from these years with anything that resembles a quantifiably useful preparatory education. Namely, get your kids out of these schools. Take a second or third job- whatever it takes to make it happen. A highly attractive option is to move outside of Philly away from the savages.”

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93. PMN said... on Dec 5, 2009 at 07:45PM

“A minor, but substantial postscript which may explain Elijah Anderson's abject absence of reason and logic (or the inability to be honest, really):

http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=2390

Astoundingly, Anderson is "distinguished" and "one of the nation’s most influential scholars in the field of urban inequality". Christ, it's like "The Emperor's New Clothes".”

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94. GFV said... on Dec 6, 2009 at 11:37AM

“The two great enclaves of violent Blacks in America are Chicago and Philadelphia. Both are extremely violent and seemingly tolerated by the government and citizens. We all know that Blacks will riot before they look inward. These blacks choose to punish the bright student even if he or she is black. Blacks not all but a violent majority in these two cities choose failure. I am black myself and am appalled at these individuals who have enjoined along black racial lines for the sole purpose of violence. Blacks in America must choose if they are either African or American, Violent or prosperous. In the end no matter what race we are we are all brothers and sisters. I encourage all Americans to Lover your self first. Then you can love your enighbor.”

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95. Anonymous said... on Dec 6, 2009 at 05:48PM

“I am not Asian or of African decent. I can not help but see the elephant in the room. Africans have gotten into violent "tensions" with every other persecuted minority group- Jews, Asians (on both coasts), hispanics, gays, women, and now even African immigrants in many cities (according to the New York Times there have been over 30 hate crimes against African immigrants by African Americans in a certain part of New York). Who is the common denominator? No one has the guts to say blacks are the violent party in 99.9% of these "tensions". No one has the guts to say that blacks use the same tired excuses ("they don't respect us" "they exploit us") to jusutify their hostility and violence with each and every group. I'm sick of it”

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96. hmmm said... on Dec 6, 2009 at 06:04PM

“"But some of the comments you made will not help to ease the situation. In fact, they will bring more resentment and retaliation. Think of a more constructive way to express yourself and get involved so the kids can get some help.”

More resentment and retaliation? By the people COMMITTING the hate crimes? This sounds like a threat It IS constructive to say it like it is: these are hate crimes that are being brushed under the table because the perpetrators are BLACK. And there is a history of black folks doing the same thing to other minoity groups- there is a pattern here. It might make some people cringe to hear that but it IS constructive to say it like it is. The people committing these crimes deserve no more sympathy than the KKK.”

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97. Anonymous said... on Dec 6, 2009 at 10:22PM

“These are hate crimes. We demand and end to Black racism against Asians, Hispanics and Whites!”

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98. dirrtyniggar said... on Dec 6, 2009 at 10:33PM

“big willie, you know for a fact YOU people only say something when there's a group of you. NEVER once in my life have I gotten any shit from any of YOU people when y'all by urself. You only act tough when you got backup. Walk up to my face by urself and I'm gonna make sure your "mama" won't even recognize you again.”

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99. Anonymous said... on Dec 6, 2009 at 11:57PM

“Hey Big Willie, where do you live? I'll be glad to get in your face, if you're not too chicken shit about it.
These Asian kids need to get their own gang going, and if one of their own gets jumped, they all storm in, and shank the son of a bitch.”

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100. Jerry Abbott said... on Dec 7, 2009 at 09:47AM

“JewishLeftist #44-46 comments are foolish falsehoods. If you're going to blame anyone other than Blacks for what Blacks do, then put the blame on the group who brought Blacks to the Americas. Blame the Jews, since they were the ones running the Triangle slave trade from their offices in London, Amsterdam, and various Atlantic Coast port cities in America. Jews brought the slaves to Suriname as well as to South Carolina. Whites were their hirelings, as crew and officers of the ships, but Jews authorized and directed the slave trade. During the slavery years, only a very small percentage of Whites owned slaves, but nearly all of the Jews in America did.”

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101. Civil Rights violation... said... on Dec 7, 2009 at 12:46PM

“It would be all over CNN and mainstream media if it was the other way around. Imagine a headline that reads "26 black students get jumped while trying to get an education in the public school." Jesse Jackson will be all over this and cities will break out in riots.”

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102. Anonymous said... on Dec 7, 2009 at 01:27PM

“This is a HATE CRIME!!!
The school officials, politicians, and even the mayor need to step up, speak out and tell it like it is. Where is the ACLU???
If this had happened to a group of black students, all of the above would be jostling for air time with the city & nat'l media outlets.
As usual, Asian citizens are left to stand up alone,
in 5 - 10 yrs, these punks will be your problem,
meaning the taxpayers of Phila.”

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103. miss x said... on Dec 7, 2009 at 02:41PM

“I agree with #47. I tutored Cambodian immigrants in a ESL class when I was in high school in California. They faced far more dire poverty then any white or black student I knew- even people I knew on welfare and living in section 8 housing were more entitled then these students. Many of them went on to Standford U. These people came to the US with no english skills, did not qualify for public assistance or other social services because of their residency status, had to work under the table long hours while attending school, and were discrimnated against for college admission because they were asian and asians are over represented in the best colleges in California. Yet they STILL succeeded. Really. I am white and I have seen a difference between the work ethnic of asians vs. whites and blacks. Even the poorest most "underprivledged" blacks and whites I've met have it better than the asian immigrants I tutored”

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104. Anonymous said... on Dec 7, 2009 at 03:10PM

“I completely disgusted by the lack of control on this by the prinicipal. Let those blacks start shit with the white kids. they would have been locked by the police by now. I don't know the facts but racial discrimination should not be tolerated in school. Those black kids are doing the very same thing to these chinese as was done to blacks before. I wish these black kids would get it together and stop being ignorant and stupid about racial divides. I blame the parents. Now wait... I hope that the chinese kids are not looking down or making comments about black people..Cause if they were.. they needed to get their asses kicked. I’m sick of this shit...I'm black, yes black and I have friends of all colors and religions without any problems among us. Please people wake up. Bottom line, the principal needs to be looked at.. he either is weak or just don't care about blacks and chinese affairs.”

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105. jane doe said... on Dec 7, 2009 at 04:44PM

“@105 You say if those Chinese kids are "looking down" or "making comments" about black kids they "need to get their asses kicked" .
Then you say you're black.
You know what? I have heard black kids "looking down" or "making comments" about whites, asians, jews, and gays without anyone getting violent with them. Your comment is typical- black person gets violent then blames the victim. Look at Jerimiah Wright and Louis FarraKKKHan... they "look down" and "making comments" about Jews and whites and no one gets all thuggy on them. Try and act like a human being rather than an animal and you won't find yourself in a cage- aka jail

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106. Anonymous said... on Dec 8, 2009 at 03:26PM

“Most of the Asians are in school to learn and it is truly a shame they have to be afraid because of other students, some of whom are little better than feral beasts and have no intention of learning or being productive. Comparing the behavior and academic achievement of both groups will tell the whole story. Lock the gang bangers up and make the school safe. Ever notice how these cowards and sissies only attack in packs and usually only attack those who are unlikely to fight back.”

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107. Anonymous said... on Dec 8, 2009 at 05:00PM

“I'm an Asian-American who lived in Philadelphia for 8 years before moving away for less-racist pastures. Having lived around the East Coast, I was appalled with the amount of racism I've faced in what often professes to be one of America's more liberal and cosmopolitan cities. Despite being an adult and American-born, I was often harassed when walking through the supposedly-friendly streets of Center City (where I lived) by both mischievous youths and homeless people shouting racial slurs and making ching-chong noises. What kind of society is it where an adult gets verbally abused by the likes of racist youths and homeless people??? What made it worse was that, when bringing this to the attention of anyone, the common response was "this is an isolated incident" or "this can occur anywhere". Sorry, but while I've experienced racism elsewhere, Philly really took the cake. Also, sad to say, but it will not get better. The racism that's epidemic to Philly is in many ways a result of the city's long 60 year decline during which the city attracted far fewer people than most other comparable cities and, for the most part, anyone who could leave the city for the suburbs or elsewhere did, thus leaving behind a population that is disproportionately made up of ignorant, uneducated, and angry hooligans. Even if the city were to magically turn around, it'll take many years before the influence of the hooligans is diluted.”

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108. Anonymous said... on Dec 9, 2009 at 01:10AM

“Where is Rev. AL SHARPTON as this is unfolding? He once said that he stands up for racial discrimination issues no mater what color!

It seems he is silent now.

The racism is now deflected outward and some how this seems to be OK with him! (oh wait, he might not have heard of the South Phila. story just yet).......yeah right!

His silence, shows everyone that racism is alive and well in America and will remain that way if the biggest racial crime fighter only fights for his color!”

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109. Asians > said... on Dec 9, 2009 at 03:29AM

“What comforts me about this story is that the Asian kids will go on with their lives and become successes whereas the Blacks will end up dead or in jail so I laugh HAHA! Continue the cycle of failure...”

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110. Anonymous said... on Dec 9, 2009 at 10:01AM

“Philly is a cesspool of racism and, despite how it is often portrayed as simply White vs. Black, much of the racism is Black vs. Asian. School violence is just one of the issues. There's also the robberies of Asian-owned stores that has been epidemic. I once was chased down Walnut Street near Rittenhouse Square, of all places, by an angry Black man shouting racial slurs, telling me to "go back to your country" (I was born here) and telling me that if I were an American that I should "get my eyes rounded out". WTF? This wasn't in the ghetto but on Walnut Street by Rittenhouse. Everyone on the street just stood around and watched and, when I broguht this incident up with others, people claimed that I was exagerrating since that type of racism supposedly doesn't exist in Philly. Philly is a racist city PERIOD. It is one of the most racist cities in the country if not the world. Asian people shouldn't just boycott the schools but the entire city. STAY AWAY FROM PHILLY!!”

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111. one whole month of history said... on Dec 14, 2009 at 07:11PM

“Here we go.
Look at Lincoln high school for example.
Used to be a good public school,then blacks are bussed in.
Then neighborhood went bad and the school needs to be rebuilt.
I also dealt with the lunatics at 15th street for 6 years from going to school in that area. They were preaching about the white devil, other junk and then even attacked people of the same color for being the other religion.
But that will never be racism,not to a white, asian, jewish, latino etc..
It Is only racism if it is to a black person. Right? (Sarcasm)
Bottom line- people are tired of blacks pulling the race card.
In Philly it is easy to see where the changes occurred in the different neighborhoods throughout the years- you do not have to be a genius to figure out why. South Philly used to be a beautiful area. It is a shame.
Made my point, so protect the Asians and anyone else looking to get an education. Instead of letting programs to help one group make the rest that want to succeed suffer.”

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112. 2012 please come!! said... on Dec 14, 2009 at 11:54PM

“Half of the comments in here made me sick!
To think that some of the children getting beat up will grow resentful and twisted like some of you is heartbreaking...
The same problems you guys are complaining about, you are acting just as such with these ignorant comments.
This won't stop till someone grows up and realize this ignorance and prejudice needs to stop on both sides!
Be an example for these kids and show them their can be common understandings on both sides instead of degrading both sides into lesser beings.”

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113. Will said... on Dec 15, 2009 at 01:12PM

“@ Big Willie...wait a minute first your name is Big Willie...wow...so your saying that Asians "deserve" it (being beaten up) because they look at you?....Oh no I'm so sorry...Ill never look at a black person again.... I'm white and my girlfriend is from China...so what do you mean "white people don't like them either".....unfortunately your just angry because there are more African-American males in Jail then in prison...well that's something to be proud of....Yeah homie IMA THUG...DAWG....go kill yourself.... and maybe you should go to school.....like most "asians" and we won't have to pay for your welfare .....if your going to racist then so will I.....”

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114. Anonymous said... on Dec 15, 2009 at 02:50PM

“One person asked--Where is Al Sharpton--he is too busy playing 'pin the tail on the honkey!'
As for the 'cultural' question let's compare cultures. On one hand you have a culture that values productivity and academic achievement.

On the other hand you have a 'culture' that listens to 'music' glorifying criminality, has a skyrocketing illegitimacy rate, a high incidence of violent criminal behavior and an entitlement mentality.

Which culture has the best chance of success?”

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115. Insight4You said... on Dec 15, 2009 at 03:29PM

“As a proud trilingual, I really wished that people understood this simple fact: if somebody is speaking a different language in your vicinity,you shouldn't automatically assume that they are speaking about you. When I lived in Brazil from 2004-2006, I would speak to my wife (who is also an American) in English - regardless of where we were or who was around. It simply wouldn't make sense for us to force ourselves to speak Portuguese to each other just so that strangers could eavesdrop on our mundane conversations about who was picking up the kids that afternoon etc. If somebody were to assume that we were speaking English deliberately so that we could not be understood and so that we could freely speak badly about those around us, that would be unreasonable. I'm continually shocked at how people seem to criticize Asians for speaking what is obviously their native language to other native speakers of that language. Case in point: http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=2415771”

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116. Anonymous said... on Dec 15, 2009 at 10:21PM

“To Big Willie; you really think that the only reason why Asian speak their own lauguage to eachother is to talk about other people? Ever think that since English is NOT their first language that they might feel more comfortable speaking their own language when talking to eachother? I'm Korean, I'm more comfortable speaking English then Korean having grown up in Philly. But, I only speak Korean to elderly Koreans out of respect. Does that mean I'm talking about any non Koreans within earshot? That's gotta be one of the dumbest things I ever heard, and the sad part is, I've heard the plenty. People need to stop thinking that the world revolves around them all the time.”

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117. Anonymous said... on Dec 15, 2009 at 10:21PM

“The problem is culture itself,its seems certain groups who do not achieve the status of others thru hardwork and sweat brings in the race card for their lack of achievement.Why would you attack students of a visible minority while yourself were attacked because of your color?.If blacks ever want respect it starts with the person in the mirror,all those at the philly school should be ashamed for letting this happen and with all the news outlets reporting this incident philly again is reinforcing its image as backward city with violence.”

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118. Anonymous said... on Dec 16, 2009 at 03:53PM

“When the jenas six beat up a white kid, and got prosecuted for it. We have NAACP, Al, Jessie crying "RACSIM". When we have the black women cut in line and resisted arrest, we have NAACP, Al, Jessie crying "RACISM".

Where is NAACP, Al, and Jessie right now!!!”

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119. Anonymous said... on Dec 16, 2009 at 08:48PM

“Anonymous #119 wrote:
"Where is NAACP, Al, and Jessie right now!!!"

Where is AALDEF when African Americans and Hispanics experience profiling and discrimination??

Just look at the intermarriage rates at http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml. Asian Americans are a LOT more likely to marry white people than black people or Latinos. And this trend isn't limited to first-generation immigrants-- it also applies to people who were RAISED here (and have supposedly received anti-racism education).

Something tells me that the black students know something we don't.”

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120. Anonymous said... on Dec 17, 2009 at 01:10AM

“Blaming the victims for "provoking" the attacks is truly disturbing. It is the same irrational excuse that many people who beat their wives use ... "she made me hit her." The victim never, ever invites the abuse. It is always the abuser or perpetrators fault for being violent. The schools should be ashamed for allowing such violence to occur unabated regardless of the ethnicity of either the victim or perpetrator. Schools have watched violence escalate for decades. The schools should not be surprised that these kids are now targeting other students based on race/ethnicity or anything else that is trivial. The violence was getting out of hand, the schools should have stepped in long ago. It is a disgrace that any child should feel threatened at school. At the end of the day, it is the schools that are responsible for the welfare of the students during the day. They should have introduced diversity training and anti-violence measures long ago.”

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121. HipHopSays said... on Dec 17, 2009 at 03:50AM

“the city of brotherly love - seems to not have that much love. as an african-american alum of south philadelphia (southern) high school (circa early 90s) and a native philadelphian i am disappointed by the admin's inability to quell the 'random' acts of violence happening. first and foremost, even in the early 90s there was a targeting of asians and reason to be concerned for the asian community within school (and the city to an extent). I can tell you I never found a 'true' reason from my peers for the 'picking' on the asian kids (typically the answers went: our schools suck and here are these kids who get extra resources like ESL ...so they suck by extension and they deserve my ire). the sadness of the article is it didn't really go into the other side of this story - the black kids who have been the attackers. by getting multiple view points (the adults who are failing all the students, victims, victimizer, the community and elected leaders) the story could have been better.”

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122. Jamoke said... on Dec 17, 2009 at 05:53PM

“Even the CityPaper has to tread in fear by prefacing this piece with: 'Community organizers say'. Everyone knows the deal. Walk into any majority black school and you will say wholesale mayhem in classrooms, cafeterias, violence against students and teachers.
Asian immigrants hoping to make a better life for themselves move into the neighborhood they can afford, wishing the best education for their children.
They work, they excel, and in return, are targetted by those hate the competence these newcomers show. The newcomers don't see anything of value in thug culture, and the mafia running this school, and the entire Philly system, does nothing to protect them. What is guaranteed in this situation is that as soon as they can, these newcomers and their families will vote with their feet: they will leave the savagery behind, in order to protect their cultural values: hard work, achievement, the American Dream.
And the school that was left will be that much poorer, all around.”

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123. Anonymous said... on Dec 18, 2009 at 11:50AM

“Yu have to look at the other hand. What if the Asians were the ones bullying African Americans. We never look at that topic because we stereotype Asians as the nerdie nerds who cant defend for themselves. But being African American, we know in high school, we have to be the superior ones, the high mighty THE BULLY.Thats how life is.... IT CANT BE STOP...IM SORRY YOU HAVE TO FACE IT......If you arrest those bullies, have you ever thought that there friends or what they say now "mans" wont see nothing wrong with that,They will come for the asians and it will increase the bullying.. The only way they will stop is if they stop on their own..you cant make them stop...THEY MUST DO IT THEMSELVES....”

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124. Pencils said... on Dec 21, 2009 at 10:53PM

“Anonymous 119 wrote:
"'Asian Americans are a LOT more likely to marry white people than black people or Latinos. And this trend isn't limited to first-generation immigrants-- it also applies to people who were RAISED here (and have supposedly received anti-racism education).

Something tells me that the black students know something we don't.'"

What are you trying to say? That Asian students deserve violence because of their marriage trends? (which, by the way, have been shifting toward less marriages with whites in recent years)

I'm tired of people assuming that because Asian Americans are "quiet" or not assimilating to black culture that they're racist and self segregating. In a recent article on Philly.com, an anonymous Guatemalan American student at South Philly High said that Latino students were also being beat or picked on if they did dress like or act like their black peers. I see a common factor.”

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125. Anonymous said... on Dec 23, 2009 at 05:03PM

“Anon # 123, like #119 write like they are out of their minds. Asian-Americans bullying Afro-Americans? Asians deserve to get their ask kicked because asian girls have the sense to stay away from thugs?
123 is telling the world that folks like him will basically always act like thugs, what he calls 'superior', 'that's how life is'. It seems that his principal, the school 'safety officers', and even the comm of education essentially agree: 'this is the deal here, nothing wrong here, this is the way it is'.
123 says, moreover, that if there are any consequences for the continuous beatings and harrassment that asian students have suffered, in the way of disciplinary action or arrests, that 'They will come for the asians ': we will make you pay. So there you have it, nice and clear: welcome to the current state of affairs: anything that the majority mob does goes, if the victims dare speak up, their lives will be made worse.”

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126. Asian Al Sharpton said... on Dec 28, 2009 at 11:20AM

“Hate and intolerance are most effective when taught at a young age. This isn't just kids being punks. This is prejudice being taught from parents on down.

But we are ignoring that and blaming the anonymous "system" for this failure.

Apparently, if the attack is BLACK on ASIAN it is not a hate crime.”

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127. JayTee said... on Dec 28, 2009 at 12:12PM

“the asians need to quit being "so scared" and stand up. Fight back and maybe then, something will get done... I'm tired of hearing about blacks committing these senseless crimes.. When are they ever going to learn to do better for themselves?”

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128. Anonymous said... on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:26PM

“# 127:

I don't know what you mean by "stand up" and "quit being so scared". I think the students are already standing up by boycotting the school, demanding the school district and the school to be held accountable for what the hell was going on at the school. Plus, the students are currently working with other student organizations throughout the city on school violence. They're taking a stand on this.

Being scared is a feeling that you cannot quit. In a jail like school where you don't know when you'll be punched in the face just because some kids decide to have fun and the adults sit there and watch it happen, you will be scared. The Black activists in the 60s were scared of the system that made them felt that way. But feeling scared didn't stop them from trying to change the system and it is the case here with the students from SPHS.”

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129. Anonymous said... on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:35PM

“# 123:

If you're talking about organized gangs, you'll get it. That what happened in LA between the Latino and Black communities. And that's what already happened in some communities in Philly. You'll just have to see innocent lives taken by the senseless violence, be them white, black, asian or latino! Think about if you would want to live in a city like that.

People should act to end violence, not bringing more violence that's going to affect everyone!”

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130. Anonymous said... on Jan 1, 2010 at 12:49AM

“those blacks are lucky these asians are not vietnamese, those blacks would had been booked seriously.

Vietnamese or any other south east asian in general, would always pushthemselves to be more violent.

I think if these blacks were in westminster back in the 1990s, there would be arms and legs floating around in a pool of blood

I do not like violence my self, but it is just something i have observed and read about in the news

go google it yourself

Vietnamese gangs
-ruthless, violence more than chinese gangs
(and chinese gangs are known for chopping of limbs)
-short tempered
-Dubbed "King of Mary Jane in Australia"
-Dubbed " Drug Lords of England"
-10 times revenge (would do worst 10 times what you do to them)
-Smart, study says 1 in 2 vietnamese gang members often pass with atleast 1-2 A's 2 bs and few cs”

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131. Anonymous said... on Jan 1, 2010 at 01:48AM

“Here some links about viets, lucky for blacks, they aint messing with viets

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-09-19/local/me-3642_1_westminster-high-school

http://www.mafianj.com/asian/vietnamese.shtml "most vicious and ruthless of asian groups"

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/08/us/for-vietnamese-a-wave-of-gang-terror.html (all the way in newyork, reads the news from viet violence in l.a.)

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-22/local/me-369_1_high-school-brawl

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/nguyen-168100-giang-santa.html

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/asian-boyz-gang



http://asianweek.com/2002_08_02/bay_cybercafe.html (vietnamese getting violent over a video game cafe)

These are just a few of the many, many crimes that were comminted around the late 1980s- early and mid 1990s from viet people.

There are several films made.

1. Dust of life- see the trailer on youtube, on the life of a viet, during 1990s in california
2. Romper Stomper, ran out o”

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132. Asian Al Sharpton said... on Jan 4, 2010 at 02:44PM

“"A black man living in a high-crime American city can expect to live 21 fewer years than a woman of Asian descent in the United States. The man's life expectancy, in fact, is closer to that of people living in West Africa than it is to the average white American. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/11/AR2006091101297.html

What's that Harvard University Cheerleader chant when the Crimson team has suffered a setback? "That's alright! That's OK! You'll be working for ME someday!"

Black students have this to look forward to:
- Prison
- HIV
- Drug overdose
- Lifetime of poverty
- Black on Black rape and violence
- Having dozens of kids who grow up hating them

I'm sorry. Did I hurt someone's feelings? OK, Well, that's only statistics. I guess I can't fairly say that is indicative of an ethnicity. Yeah. It's the system. that's it! It's the systems fault! FIGHT THE POWER! Ahem.”

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133. Anonymous said... on Jan 23, 2010 at 12:40PM

“I found out the Asian students and Black students had attacked a disabled Black student. I am disabled myself. I was injured by an Asian youth out in West Philly in 1997. I did nothing to him or any other Asians. What comes around goes around. I say remember Pearl Harbor. The Asians need to learn to live by biblical principles and so do the Blacks. The Asians need to treat people with respect and stay out of other people's business.”

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134. Asian Pride said... on Feb 11, 2010 at 02:39AM

“Asians must unite and fight back against discrimination! Violence shouldn't be the answer, but in this case, it is. The Asians who were attacked should have picked up chairs, books, and pens to physically fight back in self defense. I'm so sick and tired of discrimination against Asians that I'm a firm believer in the "An eye for an eye!". The victims should now train to fight in preparation for the next attack, like soldiers training for a war. Asian Pride!”

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135. susan said... on Feb 16, 2010 at 08:51AM

“As Chinese- American woman, born and raised in Philadelphia over fifty years ago, I can personally attest to the racism against Asians that existed then, and continue to flourish today.
I remember as a freshman at Hallahan HS, a Franciscan nun who was my Introductory Physical Science teacher, told me in front of all my classmates that I should go back to China. And at the same school, the head of the Studies Dept(curriculum dept), an Immaculata nun, refused to allow me into the french Class, because she did not think I would have need for it. I do remember being bullied by a white girl everyday at lunch. I was scared and did not fight back. If I did, I am sure I would have been expelled. Needless to say, I had a horrible year.
I can sympathize with the victims at South Philly.
Philly school district has had a long history of neglect towards Asian Americans. Forty years ago, my cousins were beaten up as students at McCalls and were terrorized at South Philly. Things have not changed.”

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136. 2HONEST4CNN said... on Feb 20, 2010 at 05:53PM

“Lets be honest. These are black students picking on other students.. thats why no one will do anything about this. Plus the Asian students while minorities and under pressure and attack still regularly outperform these other students.. pure jealousy and ignorance at work.”

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137. Keith M. West said... on Feb 24, 2010 at 03:33PM

“I am Asian!!!

I am proud!!!

We Asians are always being picked on and I am sick of it!!! We get good grades, we study, and we work hard to get where we are today. Why would anyone want to discriminate against us. This just proves one thing... ASIANS ARE THE MASTER RACE!!!

Abkhazia
Afghanistan
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Brunei
Cambodia
People's Republic of China
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Egypt (Debatable)
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
North Korea
South Korea
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Macau
Malaysia
Maldives
Mongolia
Myanmar
Nagorno-Karabakh
Nepal
Oman
Pakistan
Palestine
Philippines
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
South Ossetia
Syria
Tajikistan
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Turkey
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
Turkmenistan
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen”

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138. Anonymous said... on Mar 9, 2010 at 12:26AM

“the problem is so bad that they should bus the students to other schools or give them vouchers to private schools. let the blacks keep their ghetto”

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139. Asians with guns! said... on Mar 15, 2010 at 12:10AM

“Asians in Philly need to get with the program like the Asians out west and form up into gangs. If not start carrying knives and use them against the other races who mess with them. Fire bombs the black, latino and white houses of people who assault them, once a few of attackers parents or siblings die in a house fire I'm sure they won't be so anxious to fight the Asian community....Stay strap...”

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140. Will To Flower said... on Mar 16, 2010 at 05:38PM

“The last thing the asian students should be doing is imitating blacks in any way, shape or form. It's painful enough to see white kids doing it. Have some sense!”

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141. rk said... on Mar 18, 2010 at 07:15PM

“@Asians with guns! said.

What you said was not only stupid but nihilistic and ultimately detrimental to the very people you THINK you're "helping". I'm not even sure you're asian because you don't sound like any asian person I've ever known (i'm asian-american myself) The best way for asians and asian-americans to "fight back" is to get an education, create community/national organizations, fight for respect though activism, and then get the hell out of Sh*tholes like philly.

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142. SPHS Alum said... on Mar 19, 2010 at 05:19PM

“The school district is BS. Only trying to slide this one under the carpet. Stupid kids, stupid adults in charge.”

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143. Anonymous said... on Mar 22, 2010 at 10:47PM

“Pointblank, I side with the Asians on this one-and I am black. Asians get it from both sides since they are stereotyped as quiet, docile nerdy people that are taking over.On the black side this is racism, xenophobia, and envy; and though, I empathize with the plight of the poor black kids there, they "are DEAD wrong here"- and there is no excuse for alot of this mess! I take issue with some of the dumb statements made here but the black bullies do need to get it together and get a life because these senseless attacks are not changing our situations or helping matters in anyway. Some of these same folks bully other black and non black kids that are not bothering them.
Nevertheless, the posters calling all blacks animals should get a grip when you have bullies and criminals elements in your own group; and these type of folks ridicule blacks, other people, and members of their own group because they are bullies too; so just cut the sanctimonious "we are better" crap.”

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144. Anonymous said... on Mar 22, 2010 at 11:06PM

“Yeah I said it in the above post, some non-black members are not innocent in these attacks either. I seriously take issue with the hooligans involved but some of the comments here are as dumb as the actions of these students.I do not condone these attacks in any way, shape, or form since the actions are wrong and the perpetrators are bullies. My heart UNAPOLOGETICALLY goes out to all the Asians attacked without cause; but in defending Asians others need to consider the sillyness of their own comments because an element of Asians may not be so innocent either. The last comment is not said to excuse the attacks on innocent Asians that are prey to uncalled for attacks, it is just to say that folks in support of the Asians are going to far generalizing about groups themselves. Finally, as for the comments about Al Sharpton's whereabouts, where are the activists of your various groups when stuff gets done to blacks, or where are your own activists to speak for you? Ask yours this question!”

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145. Anonymous said... on Apr 18, 2010 at 04:25AM

“No wonder Philadelphia test scores are so low....”

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146. James said... on May 6, 2010 at 01:59AM

“"Dozens of the alleged incidents are relatively minor—name-calling, verbal threats, petty robberies, random punches in the head while walking down stairwells, and general intimidation".

It takes an f'd-in-the-head person to call such things "relatively minor".”

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147. Anonymous said... on May 7, 2010 at 10:08PM

“See what we are doing in San Francisco. We need to bring these issues on a national stage! http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=108909472462887”

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148. Anonymous said... on May 8, 2010 at 02:33AM

“See video from City Hall rally 5/4 6pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ZrGH1-nh4”

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149. spitalianboi said... on May 13, 2010 at 05:36PM

“what the problem is mayor nutter is letting all these ethnic groups in too fast and theres too many to begin with and of course there is going to be racism were in america its the land of the free and everyone wants to come here, some people in this country jus have too much freedom , and i say atleast the asians are coming here legal instead the discrace mexicans comin over the border illegal its sad to see my neighborhood change so fast all i say for south philly is no culture will do more then the italians did and thats the fuking truth”

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150. Beijing said... on May 23, 2010 at 08:25AM

“I am from China. Don't be fooled that the asians are peaceful people. Are you shocked by the black teacher calling a chinese student "Yo Chinese"? In China, the urban citizens has many bad names for people from the countryside, and people from Shanghai call all Chinese from other places "country bumpkins" and people from Beijing used to call other Chinese (maybe not including those from Shanghai) "soil blocks", and believe me the chinese are very creative in this and there are other very humiliating names as well. Geographical discrimination in China is very serious but the media and the government refuse to recognize it. If you say you have been called a bad name or discriminated, it will make you look weak that that will give rise to even more mocking and discrimation and maltreatment in the future. China is rapidly deveoloping economically, but people hurt and hate each other... (to be continued)”

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151. Anonymous said... on May 23, 2010 at 03:26PM

“I am part Asian and think that this country can only tolerate so much diversity. I have been shopping and hear all kinds of languages being spoken. This country is reeling from too much, too soon, too poor, too many immigrants speaking too many languages. It is no wonder that the Americans are upset.
For one thing, the taxpayers are asked to fund ESL for many students - which does increase the costs to taxpayers. Beginning there and then adding in a multitude of programs to assist immigrants - we will go bankrupt. Low-income program eligibility now standing at over 50% in our school district - a rapid increase in the last ten years. We just can't take this many newbies - even if we LIKE them.

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152. Fly away said... on Jun 6, 2010 at 08:26AM

“Dear Asian community,
White people have already figured out t he answer to this problem, we recommend white (or perhaps in you case yellow) flight. Take your tax base with you. Go where you will be treated well, be educated well and live well.

You do not have to live in fear.”

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153. yeah flee for the suburbs said... on Jun 18, 2010 at 07:13AM

“I believe you mean Asian flight instead, Fly away. But yea just save enough money and go to a good school. Tell your parents that you can't stand the violence any more. Study hard, get a good education and enroll your kids into private schools.”

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154. John Ramirez said... on Jun 28, 2010 at 11:35AM

“The schools and administrators are racist against anyone that is not African American. Clearly the Asian students are under tremendous attack and pressure but do to political correctness and a blindness to the realities of cultural problems in the African American community they REFUSE to take action.”

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155. Anonymous said... on Jul 20, 2010 at 12:22AM

“Blacks are just jealous of Asians and are also uncivilized, uneducated people. It is no wonder they are at the bottom of society and I firmly believe they will always remain so.”

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156. Anonymous said... on Aug 26, 2010 at 06:01PM

“I am not too familiar with South Philly so I can't make a statement about the environment for this particular location. However, its been my own experience from stories told by asian peers over the decades, that "pickings, slurs, gestures (pointy eyes) are prevalent in inner city high black population (where they are the majority) districts. Strength and confidence comes in numbers. Read the facts very carefully, the number of students is under a hundred. Such easy targets for gangs that outnumber **30 to 5**. Is it racially motivated? Perhaps, but not at because they are Asian, but rather they are the distinct minority. Lets just face facts that the cream of the crop does not exist in these fine educational institutions and like in any business, the employees ( here the students) are a reflection of the management. Period. Understood? Yo Chinadog, back to work.”

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157. Driven by Success said... on Sep 9, 2010 at 07:58PM

“Let me break it down in a way so some of you can understand...

"you brothas from that s philly hood have no paper, no job, no game plan, no ideas, no dreams and ya'll good with that. so what's left? Listening to clowns spit about shoes, rides, cognac and blasting each other. imagine trying to be baller with no flows in the bank? that's the path yo peeps be taking, bunch of perpetrating broke asses with nothing better to do with their time than find the cheapest 40oz and hate on asian peeps."

Get a job, learn something, be responsible, better yourself and there will be no time for the bullshit that is hate, i promise you.”

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158. Anonymous said... on Oct 22, 2010 at 10:01AM

“I suggest that everyone look at these incidents from the big picture. Let's all ask why do things like this happen? Who is in charge?

Let's change the focus into finding an ever lasting solutions to human problems like this one. Otherwise, the result could be very tragic. In a dog-eat-dog world, anything is possible.”

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159. Anonymous said... on Nov 2, 2010 at 03:27PM

“Blacks are inherently violent, racist sub-human waste with the IQ of a termite. The lazy Southerners should have picked their own damn cotton.”

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160. Anonymous said... on Nov 20, 2010 at 05:14PM

“when will asians start fighting back? get a gun for god sakes. the only thing blacks understand and respect is violence & death. fuck it they wanna start bring it to them start a gang and go rob a gun store teach these monkeys what it is. im a chinese american living in east new york and trust me i fought almost everyday of my life out here until i was like 16 i finally got my respect cause i damn near fought the whole hood on top of that when people see revolvers they know what the deal is”

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161. Anonymous said... on Dec 16, 2010 at 06:08AM

“Wow, I am so glad I left philly. I also got teased many times while there (asian) but not violence (suburbs). but even in the suburbs, people are ignorant.
I am in the bay area now. Lots more Asians. black on Asian crime exists here still, but i am now not afraid to walk down the street thinking someone is going to call out 'chingchong' every 3 ft like it was in philly. (honestly, they can say this but we can't say the N word?)

Asians get out of Philly and you will see how bad it was there once you have left it.”

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162. AsianAmericanCoalition said... on Dec 16, 2010 at 06:48AM

“As an Asian, from my point of view, the greatest change will come when the fractured Asian community is able to stand as one force and demand change. Today, civil right are being advocated very strongly by the NAACP and NCLR are fighting for affirmative action and civil liberties for their own specific interest. I feel that this might seem unfair, but honestly in this world we all must fight for our own. No one will stand up for Asian Americans until we stand up for ourselves---and that requires a stronger coalition between the many different groups of Asians who are currently divided by language, our own internal prejudices, and lingering resentment over WWII. Asian families need to encourage their children to become politically active, and to seek government positions. Most Asians are encouraged to seek lucrative jobs that pay well, but otherwise completely avoid politics and civil rights issues in favor of 'not shaking the boat'. This needs to change from inside.”

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163. Chicago resident said... on Dec 16, 2010 at 12:44PM

“Today 16Dec10, I saw on CNN that So Philly is again addressing this issue. I am married to an Asian, and I am a medium complexion Afro-American, and I can sympathize with the victims. I have felt this harassment also when I was in elementary and high-school growing up in Chicago. It was always the darker skinned Afro-Americans who resented those of us with lighter skin, because they perceived it gave us advantages, it never occurred to them that we were serious about getting "A"s on our report cards to have a better life later.
Those Afro-American kids probably come from a home with no decent values, enamored with the 'thug'' hip-hop life style, getting an inferior education and not really concerned about it. Religion? Probably not, and it is sorely needed. They don't realize they are perpetuating the negative image most other groups have of Afro-Americans. Its time the school and elected officials take adequate steps to change this.

J C”

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164. Asian_Al_Sharpton said... on Dec 16, 2010 at 04:04PM

“The names of these thugs should be publicly posted. Anyone have access to the police report?”

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165. pinkblings said... on Mar 21, 2011 at 01:10PM

“I am a proud Asian! Discrimination against Asians or any other nationality should not be allowed and tolerated! I believe "An eye for an eye!" I would have fought back, physically or verbally. Man... listening to this makes me want to become violent, even though I know violence is not the answer.”

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166. dang said... on May 29, 2011 at 02:04AM

“first of all , why are these people attending these schools? The teachers and staff there and even the principal got their jobs because all the good teachers, staff, and principal are at better schools... this is a fact.. that is why bad schools stay bad..especially when you have kids with subnormal aptitudes attending the schools... This behavior mirrors prison ethics, usually with the exception of getting raped. Im sure if you have kids you would probably enroll them in the best schools... Think about why are the top universities in the US are primarily filled with whites and asians. I highly doubt it is racism, then why is there a need for affirmative action?”

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167. Anonymous said... on Jul 16, 2011 at 08:29AM

“"Just look at movies like Gran Torino, Crossing Over, Fast and Furious, and Crash--most of the Asians are gang members and criminals, and the only 'good' characters are kids (like in Gran Torino) or weak, helping characters like that guy who gets killed off in F&F Tokyo Drift.”"

In the case of Gran Torino only SOME of the "Asian" characters were thugs. Most were portrayed as decent people.”

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168. TNB said... on Jul 21, 2011 at 11:41PM

“Is anyone really surprised by this? The nogs are very courageous when they outnumber their victims. If the tables were turned they would scatter like the roaches they are. The are genetically violent and are prone to criminality. This behavior is just TNB (Typical N----- Behavior).”

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169. Anonymous said... on Aug 30, 2011 at 12:22AM

“I have been the victim of violent crime twice in my life. Both times it was at the hands of black teenagers.”

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170. Philthy Philly said... on Sep 12, 2011 at 12:57AM

“These bullies are vermin, but the adults who are aiding and abetting this collective thuggery are absolute filth. These so-called "adults" eagerly pocket their pay as teachers, security, administrators, and elected officials while generating a non-stop stream of flimsy, flat-out lies excusing the targeting of Asian-Americans.

Well, congratulations, citizens of Philalphia. Philly is a sh*thole and the world will know this. It's full of filthy, disgusting, racist, uneducated a-holes who love to yammer on about the "City of Brother Love" for tourist dollars (pathetic), but in reality are truly the dumbest and greediest thugs to live in an American metropolis. I'll never go to Philthy Philly again and I'l never spend another dollar on anything connected to Philly if I can help it. PHILTHY PHILLY. PHILTHY PHILADELPHIANS.

I just made a promise to myself to seize upon every single opportunity I get to educate another person or a group of people about Philthy Philthy”

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171. shady said... on Jan 22, 2012 at 01:09PM

“亚洲同胞们护自己你们在美国太窝囔太受气了你们要拿出勇起来要敢于抗争要敢于卫护自己”

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172. Anonymous said... on Mar 7, 2012 at 04:30PM

“You know what, 123? You're a deluded liar and a racist for typing that. How dare you believe that African Americans should be dominant and that Asias shoudl be opicked on/ And yuou dare support bullying? Newsflash: That's not life!

How would you like it someone is against your race and bullies you for being who you are? Would you like that?

I'm very ashamed of you for supporting bullies and that everyone should think like you. And you dare type that bullies shoudln't be arrested? That's like suggesting that no one should be sent to jail for terrorizing you and/or your loved ones (if you have any).

I'm fed up with bullies and racism enough to want them gone forever. So if you bully an Asian guy who's meaner and tougher than you, prepare to get your ass handed to you. Same things goes for all bullies.”

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173. ChineseKing said... on May 1, 2012 at 10:30AM

“These so-called gangs are nothing but wussies. They gonna pick on small asians who are trying to learn English, harmless and have no weapons. These are cowards inner city blacks who can't learn anything, too stupid to even insult. Tell their chicken loving ass to come find some REAL ASIAN GANGS and lets see who's the BITCH.

go across the street to get your POPEYES chicken loving savage.”

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174. Indonesian Pride said... on Nov 3, 2012 at 01:24AM

“vietnamese dudes are the most hatred race whose made us Asians the bad name....

.......Blacks bullier should point your target at those viet little punks!!!

Beat the viets!!!



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175. KOFS said... on Apr 11, 2013 at 10:07PM

“This IS a racial issue. These are blacks harassing asians. Put blacks in a group (not ANY blacks just the "under privileged" ones) and they will instantly go into gang mode where they prey upon the weak. The do the same things to any color that's not black. Perhaps the worst of all is if you try to act differently from them and are black. If you try and learn in school and act responsible, then you are an uncle tom, "uppity". I taught in an American high school in a large inner city for 9 years. Blacks form groups that prey on any other group or individual they perceive as weaker than them. When caught or called out on their behavior all you get is a litany of "didn't do nuffins!" and "you racsss!". Just try and call their parents. usually a single grandmother. They don't care. High School is basically a babysitter until the girls get pregnant and the boys graduate to prison. There is no saving or rehabilitating these kids. I ask you what can fix this disease of unruly black kids???”

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176. Anonymous said... on Aug 26, 2013 at 07:31PM

“Many of you speaking here really don't understand the struggles here in America. Nor do you understand The Autochthonous Americans so called "African Americans" who you claim are just ignorant, stupid, and without culture. It's their culture that is the AmErican culture.

Many of you here need to do a lot more research because you haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg. It has also come to my awareness that there's a lot more ignorance written on here than any punch could deliver. Enough said, there's more to the violence than meets the eye...

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177. Anonymous said... on Aug 27, 2013 at 11:03AM

“I'm so horrified to see this, but not surprised by who is doing it. I do not get why anyone wouldn't like anyone of Asian descent. My interactions with all kinds of Asians have a zillion percent positive. They bring nothing but good to a community in every way possible.

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the ones who pick on them. If you're Asian, come to my town! I'll do everything I can to help!”

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178. Anonymous said... on Aug 28, 2013 at 03:35AM

“@Philthy Philly Firstly, don't stereotype all people who live in Philly simply because you've had a bad experience here. It's like me stereotyping all people from different regions of Asia. You had one thing correct though, the Autochthonous Americans so called "African Americans" are not the cause of this violence but also the victims of it. A lot of this violence, you are correct, is coming from higher up. Takes a special eye to see what the eyes cannot see, a special ear to hear what the ear cannot.”

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179. Anonymous said... on Dec 19, 2013 at 08:31AM

“Kill the chinks they should go back to China”

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