You Say You Want a Revolution?

Listening to the fringe at a July 4 tea party.

By Joel Mathis 
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Larken Rose laid down some revolutionary talk at Independence Hall.

Photo by Joel Mathis

It’s getting so you can’t tell regular Republican insanity from the lunatic fringe anymore. Take July 4, when a parade of local conservative luminaries— Philadelphia Bulletin publisher Tom Rice, columnist Herb Denenberg and State Rep. Curt Schroder, among them—gathered with 2,000 people at Independence Hall for a “tea party” devoted to protesting President Obama’s tyrannical, socialist rule of unending taxation.

“My final advice to Obama: Leave it or love it. You seem to hate America,” Denenberg snarled in a YouTube video
 made at the event. “Why don’t you move to Europe where they love you because of your socialist ideas? Why don’t you move to one of the banana republics or Venezuela, or Syria, where you seem to be more in tune with the tyrants and dictators than you seem to be in tune with the people of the United States?”

So it didn’t seem a huge leap when antitax activist Larken Rose took the microphone a couple of hours later, praised America’s Founding Fathers as “cop killers”—and wondered aloud why today’s citizens are too wimpy to follow in their footsteps.
 (A rough transcript of Rose's speech is available at his website.)

“Those people were criminals, they were tax cheats, they were traitors,” Rose told the audience, which had dwindled to a few hundred people in the late afternoon. “Truth be told, some of the colonists were cop killers.”

Where, asked Rose, were the Americans who were willing to break the laws passed by crooked politicians and fight back against “crushing” governmental taxation?

“I’m not talking about voting and whining to your congressman,” he told the audience. “I’m talking about resistance.”

That was Saturday. By Monday, leaders of the Independence Hall Tea Party Association were trying to disassociate themselves from Rose’s fringe comments without alienating his fans. They pointed out he spoke about 4 in the afternoon; their event—featuring Rice, Denenberg and the rest of Philly’s elite conservarati—had officially ended around 3, and Rose wasn’t on their program. A second tea party had been held on the same spot on the same day and even featured one of the same speakers, yes, but it was organized by a different group of people.

“The speakers we had at our tea party gave the message we wanted to portray—period,” says Chris Clemency of the Independence Hall Association.

Pennsburg resident Rob Pepe helped organize the second tea party under the “ReTeaParty” banner. He says he wasn’t the person who invited Rose—but suggests Rose’s speech was to be taken metaphorically.

“This is an educational revolution,” Pepe says. “It’s time to understand what liberty is all about.”

Rose—an author who served prison time for tax evasiondenies the legitimacy of the federal government and writes angry tirades against “Gestapo” police tactics on his website. It sure didn’t sound like he was speaking in metaphors. He mocked “Freedom Movement” members who vote and obey the law, and smilingly acknowledged a shout of “9/11 Truth!” from the crowd.

“If 2 to 3 percent taxation justified a revolution in 1776, why doesn’t 50 percent and growing justify a revolution?” Rose asked. “If a few little excise taxes on pieces of paper and tea justified open lawlessness from these rebels that were all celebrating, why don’t the myriad of incomprehensible, unavoidable, crushing taxes—state, local and federal—why don’t they justify a revolution today?”

Rose didn’t respond to an interview request from PW . But it’s worth noting that despite his fiery talk, he doesn’t always walk the walk. He urged his audience to refuse to recognize the authority of the government­—but when convicted of tax evasion in 2005 he didn’t exactly go down in a hail of bullets: Instead, he was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison and lived to write and speechify another day.

His latest speech is giving local Republicans a headache.

“This is problematic when you have these types of yo-yos who come in and disparage the whole thing,” said WPHT talker Dom Giordano, who spoke at the first, less extreme tea party. “This is not radical central.”

Perhaps. But attendees of Philly’s tea parties have spent recent months carrying signs accusing President Obama of being a fascist tyrant who’s robbing future American generations of both their money and their freedom—and screaming for the necessity of revolt. That’s the sane stuff. Is it any wonder that an extremist like Larken Rose feels at home with the Fox News crowd? ■

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1. Rob Pepe said... on Jul 7, 2009 at 11:58PM


It was a pleasure speaking with you. I guess I fall in to the "mocked" category. I hope you join our educational rEVOLution, so we may bridge the perceived divides that separate us all.

Based on the title, I was hoping that you would post the "parade video", the highlight of our day, for those who missed it. The gentleman pictured at the 2:40 mark was in Tienanmen Square in 1988...Stay well.

In pursuit of liberty, for your family and mine,


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2. Adam said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 11:50AM

“Some of the people involved in the american revolution were, in plain fact, cop killers. The founders were being aggressed against by the british soldiers (cops). Most of them did not delight in killing but they defended their lives against attempts on their lives by the british. What exactly is so radical and wrong about defending yourself against an attacker?

Your journalistic style, integrity and general accuracy in presenting the facts leaves much to be desired.”

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3. Greg said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 11:51AM

“Although Larken's speech seemed a bit depressed and bitter, Stefan Molyneux gave a rousing and passionate speech – and was happy while doing so, not bitter! Mr. Molyneux gave a positive message, showing some debate tips – even disagreeing with the violent protest methods of Mr. Rose over the nonviolent methods of philosophical debating.”

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4. Jim Babb said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 12:05PM

“Larken and the other Re-Tea Party speakers embody the true spirit of Independence Day, a celebration of rebellion against tyrannical government. This is sharply contrasted by the typical flag waving and state worship presented at other tea-parties.

The speakers invited to the Re-Tea Party ALL share a goal of individual liberty. There is no doubt that Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Ben Franklin, Sam Adams and the other signers of the Declaration of Independence were considered "too radical" by many of their time. This is clearly a time that we need a return to this type of radicalism and courageous thinking. This has nothing to with Obama vs Bush. It has everything to do with statism vs freedom, prosperity vs plunder… life vs death.”

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5. Anonymous said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 12:08PM

“I often pick up your paper. Unfortunately, the viewpoint of the writers is absolutely predictable. Wasn't there a story to be found this day about a dog or a porn star or something - something a little more suitable for your degree of journalistic integrity?”

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6. Alex Ryan said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 12:29PM

“To the best of my knowledge, everything that Larkin Rose said in his speech is factually correct.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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7. Mike Salvi said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 01:56PM

“Thanks for the expected spin on this story. Makes it crystal clear that what was said that day is right on target.

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8. scott Howell said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 03:54PM

“34 czars have been appointed (not elected) to control our country's infrastructure from the automotive industry, to healthcare to transportation. Can you show me where in our laws appointed federal authorities can direct private business? How is that not the literal definition of fascism? Czar is an imperial term from Russia-the most crushingly oppressive dictatorial power that used to be our enemy. Now we're using our past enemy's terms for the top leaders in our government.
More than 31,000 scientists have publicly denounced Climate Change, but still the Obama Administration is pushing for the Cap and Trade Tax Bill that has already failed in Spain.
Our Attorney General openly announces the Hate Crimes Bill pejoratively and unfairly discriminates against the marjority of Americans, but still pushes for its passage.
Our Chief of Staff calls for a no fly, no buy gun ownership ban while it is mainstream news the list is highly erroneous with 10 year olds on it. Report that.”

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9. Michael Molloy said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 06:11PM

“The real problem Joel seems to have is that Larken went outside the approved 'left vs. right' false paradigm that the rest of the tea parties seem to try to reinforce.
Just take one look at this blog where he is an equal opportunity critic of the ‘Left’ and the ‘Right’ side of the Empire. i.e. He's an advocate for Freedom.”

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10. Anonymous said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 08:47PM

“The so-called "lunatic fringe" (a.k.a. freedom movement) differs from the so-called "regular Republican insanity" (a.k.a. neocon philosophy) by recognizing the growing divide between the limited authority granted to government officials in the Constitution and the illegitimate power grab (with all its undesirable consequences) for which both parties are equally culpable. Ad hominem attacks purporting that Obama hates America are specious, divisive, and counterproductive. Deafeningly silent during this discussion was the fact that the Bush administration was guilty of much of the same misconduct - supporting an unspoken (and largely unjustified) presumption that one of the major parties is superior to the other. The real issue is freedom vs. statism. Larken was simply stating factual information about our founding fathers and the radical vision that they had. This perspective needs to be understood to truly understand what the word "freedom" means.”

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11. Matt Grodsky said... on Jul 8, 2009 at 09:44PM


It is in your own best interest, as a journalist, as in individual, as a free person with dreams; to educate yourself on the progressive movement and the deliberate encroachment on liberty that has resulted and continues to result from it.

Those who trade freedom for security (government healthcare, bailouts) are doomed to lose both.”

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12. TakeBackPhilly said... on Jul 9, 2009 at 01:11AM

“Joel, you cannot handle the truth. Few people can. Larken Rose can handle the truth AND he can write books, make video documentaries

and give public speeches using correct grammar while explaining what used to be understood plain as day. You can smear a person like this but it's only natural for this point of view to get traction today because the federal government is radicalizing its policies based on lies and the responsibility of a thinking person who can handle the truth is to respond in an equally radical way using a point of view based on the truth to combat the lies. The Answer To 1984 is 1776!”

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13. Chris said... on Jul 9, 2009 at 07:12AM

“This article was disgusting in its treatment of ideas regarding freedom.”

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14. HERB DENENBERG said... on Jul 9, 2009 at 11:54AM


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15. Molly Pitcher said... on Jul 9, 2009 at 03:03PM

“Your daily poll says it all: more interest in a queer party than a tea party.
Well, after the first year of Obummer is done and you find yourselves pondering what happned to your rights, you'll have to smack your own heads for not speaking out when the time called for it.
Another cup of tea, please.....”

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16. Molly Pitcher said... on Jul 9, 2009 at 03:10PM

“BTW - At least FoxNews REPORTS NEWS.
That's much more than the Statist media (ABCNBCCBSPMSNBCLSDCNN) have been doing. Who needs to listen to Odummer's "cheerleaders"? (Or Michael Jackson's, for that matter.) You know, the ones who feel the "tingle up their legs"? Chris Matthews ought to be ashamed of himself. I wonder if he's still getting that tingling feeling as he sees the take over by big government who is little by little squelching our rights as private citizens?
See GM? Ford definitely DID have a BETTER idea!”

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17. Anonymous said... on Jul 9, 2009 at 05:01PM

“Look who was there. WPHT's own hate peddler, Dom Giordano, the super
patriotic draft dodger. I guess he was telling those who disagreed with
him to leave the country. Was he wrapped in the flag that I served?”

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18. LarkenRose said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 08:22AM

I'm pleased by how many statists, including those who falsely wear the label "pro-freedom," distance themselves from me, and from others who actually know what freedom means. And that's mostly what my talk was about. I'd love to hear a debate between Joel Mathis and Thomas Jefferson, on when "illegal" resistance is justified and necessary. I guess Mr. Mathis thinks the German Jews should have "petitioned" Hitler to be nicer, and the victims of Mao, Stalin, and the rest of history's tyrants should have worked "within the system" for justice. I, on the other hand, believe that "unalienable" rights means that you don't NEED "government" permission to exercise them. And yes, in modern America, that makes me "fringe."

And for the record, I was convicted of misdemeanor "willful failure to file," not tax evasion. (For those who want that whole story, go read "Kicking the Dragon.") Also for the record, I never received any "interview request" from Philadelphia Weekly.

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19. Matthew said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:05AM

“Looks like most folks commenting here have their eyes open to reality, and a healthy love of the truth. Mr. Mathis, had you considered a career more in keeping with your abilities? Food service in a prison setting might be a good fit, as you seem to enjoy serving up slop, and without so much as a thought given to the recipient.......”

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20. Bob said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:11AM

“The sniveling, groveling author of this article is a prime example of the degraded state of the American spirit.

A pathetic individual, incapable of grasping the profoundly true - and simple - statements on liberty that Larken Rose promotes.

Kudos to Larken Rose for holding true. A curse upon the statist sheeple like Joel Mathis - kindly refrain from calling yourself an 'American''re nothing of the're a simple, gullible pawn.”

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21. MarEng said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:23AM

“"If you're free and you know it, rattle your chains!"”

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22. Steven Pattison said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:23AM

“I don't agree with what Larken Rose has been saying for years even before he went to jail. He much be a 'Change Agent'!

Before you disagree with me please learn the truth - President Kennedy address before 'The American Newspaper Publishers Association' on April 27, 1961 stated - For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on ...

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists”. J. Edgar Hoover

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

The good men may do separately is small compared with what they may do collectively. — Benjamin Franklin

Main web page:

In God we trust with all "Unalienable rights" reserved,

/S/ Steven Pattison,”

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23. Anonymous said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:24AM


May you and yours be blessed Larken! You, are the American fabric that ALL Americans are to be made of!”

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24. R.M. San Antonio, TX. said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:44AM

“Hey Joel Mathis, Get your facts straight. Larken was convicted of Failure to File, not Tax Evasion. There is quite a big difference between the two. And as usual here we go again, wanna be journalists spewing out sudo information.”

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25. Steve A. said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 09:54AM

“Forgive the author; he is probably still suffering from the indoctrination received in the government schools.
Many of us have been able to shake this propaganda from our minds as a dog shakes mud from his body.”

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26. Don said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 10:03AM

“Obviously, this author is just another shill for America's lamestream media, who either has little to no knowledge of American history, freedom, liberty, rights, or the Constitution - or else if he does have such knowledge, knows that to write of it would probably be his career suicide.

American media is biased, compromised, and controlled, as the millions of Americans and those worldwide who have taken the red pill and awakened to the truth, know.”

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27. Fred said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05AM

“Regarding American media:

“There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?”

- John Swinton, 1880, a New York Journalist”

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28. Anonymous said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 10:07AM

“1 Larken. Love it.”

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29. missouriboy said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 10:24AM

“It was disheartening to read Joel Mathis' naive article above. It saddens me to see that such ignorance holds influential positions in America's media.

But then I read all these comments and was elated to see that 99% of them favored Mr. Rose's speech, and his ideas, and eschewed the partisan nonsense of the article. I guess that means America really does have intelligent people; they're just too busy doing more important things than spouting gibberish in local papers. Taking sides in partisan politics is for the dummies who obey everything their slavedrivers in government tell them to do.”

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30. R.M. San Antonio, TX. said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 11:52AM

“Well said Missouriboy, I was thinking the same exact thing.”

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31. Anonymous said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 12:26PM

“This morning I spent too much time talking to my statist neighbor about these issues. Talk about brainwashed! Go Larken!”

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32. Voluntaryist said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 01:14PM

“Reading the paper is a waste of time. Reading on the "net" can be informative, inspiring, and entertaining, especially & The truth is alive & well online. This is our last best hope. When it is crushed, we must STRIKE!”

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33. Anonymous said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 01:24PM

“Very interesting 'journalism' Joel-NOT! Looks like you made 4.0's in your state schools-YOU even paid for brainwashing and pro govt indoctrination-haha! You are on the path to a job on Faux or CNN-for you can't report truth in context until it BITES you. In Germany you would have been one of the pro Hitler's, blindly elevating your own death sentence under tyranny-congratulations. Try reading Larken's stuff, at least let it sharpen your spineless understanding of the world around you. BTW: Larken was NOT charged with TAX EVASION- you better print a retraction!”

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34. Larken Rose said... on Jul 10, 2009 at 03:16PM

For those who don't know, there WAS a problem with the "contact me" function on my web site, which is why I never got Mr. Mathis' invitation for an interview. I said before, I wouldn't bother with an interview if it was going to end up in the format of: 1) I say lots of stuff; 2) Mr. Mathis publishes whatever bits and pieces he thinks might make me look bad (like his article). But if the entire exchange is publicly available, I'm all for it! (I especially like it when someone who DOESN'T agree with me interviews me.)


As it happens, it looks like I'll be filling in as a host next Wednesday, on a radio show which I assume you'd characterize as a sort of "patriot wacko" channel (though compared to me, it's quite moderate). I believe the show is two hours. What I propose is this: for one hour, you interview ME about my beliefs and philosophy. For the other, I interview you. You decide who goes first. How about it? (If Wednesday doesn't work, late Saturday night might.)

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35. suzan said... on Jul 11, 2009 at 07:21AM

“Larken is one of the sanest people I know he is right on target 99% of the time. If we don't stand up we will be crawling soon and begging more than we are now. Let's restore our constittutional rights and realize the Constitution IS MORE THAN JUST A GD PIECE OF PAPER. Actually the original one was written on animal skin... another mistake made by Bush.”

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36. Anonymous said... on Jul 11, 2009 at 08:11AM

“Larken knows me by my regular email correspondence with him. Never can a person get a straight answer out of him about his beliefs. he selectivele quotes the founding fathers and the declaration of independence (both advocated government) but he somehow thinks they justify his anarchist paradigm. He claims that property rights rank up there with unalienable rights, but refuses to state from where his perceived rights stem. He basically only can justify his imaginary anarchist utopian ideals by claiming subjective "morality" requires us all to be nice to each other and therefore we need no rules and no order.

Larken, if Joel won't take you up on your offer, I'd love the opportunity to do so. I believe I could eat your lunch. I have followed your screeds for years now, and I know you for just the wacko fringe lunatic you are. Not scary at all, your just deeply deluded. So how about it? I'm chompinv at the bit here. Your chance to womp an arrogant statist and put me in my place...”

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37. Larken Rose said... on Jul 11, 2009 at 08:52AM

“Yes, "Anonymous," I know you. No, you aren't worth interviewing, or worth having you interview me. Sorry. The trouble is, you are delusional and dishonest--you can't keep your OWN statist beliefs straight for more than ten seconds, and you constantly mischaracterize what others believe, such as:

1) I didn't say the founders or their statements advocated anarchy.

2) Before it was changed to "happiness," the Declaration was going to say the among a person's unalienable rights were "life, liberty, and PROPERTY."

3) As I've explained before, "rights" are a negative: a statement of what others shouldn't forcibly interfere with. (You, on the other hand, say that rights only exist because of governments.)

4) I don't say we "need no rules and no order."

5) I don't say we don't need "government" because we'd all be nice without it.

Why bother arguing with someone who intentionally and continually mischaracterizes both sides of the debate?

Joel, you still there?

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38. Robert said... on Jul 11, 2009 at 12:10PM

“Our current society and political atmosphere constitues the sand in a sand pit of confused and misguided thinking created by opinion makers in priviliged positions. I thank Larken for the ruby in the sand that he is, for revealing the gems of truth that enable critical, accurate, and sensible thinking to continue flourishing in non-brainwashed and free thinking minds.”

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39. Eric said... on Jul 11, 2009 at 04:39PM

“Larken, you're a coward AND a liar. You claim I mis-characterize your views?LARF! Pot, kettle, black.

It's you that isn't worth the time. I'd mop the floor with you.”

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40. Blane said... on Jul 11, 2009 at 05:25PM

“While I'd agree that the spirit of resistance against tyrany is in short supply, I'd argue that it is because of a lack of any real tyrranical behavior. What are we really polarized over in America? National health care? GM bailouts?? Who is being terrorized? Larken Rose cites the Declaration of Independence as an example of true resistance against oppression, and then whines his taxes are too high. Then don't pay! Don't have taxable income! Sell your labor for farm animals or grain! Barter! Hell, 50% of the people in America that file 1040s pay no tax and most get checks back. It sounds to me like Larken Rose doesn't understand the nature of man... That is to survive. People arent gonna play nice just cause he imagines it as possible.”

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41. dicktater said... on Jul 12, 2009 at 03:07PM


Joel Mathis will accept Larken Rose's polite invitation to appear on the show this Wednesday.

__Yes. Joel Mathis is an professional journal and not afraid to debate Larken Rose.

__No. Joel Mathis is a liar and will run away terrified of being exposed as just another two-bit, MSM shill.

I say "No." What you say?”

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42. Newz said... on Jul 13, 2009 at 07:20AM

“Regarding the poll, I say "no" for Joel. No gubermint edumacated mainstream statist media whore would even consider a real debate. Of course there is the one sided non-debate, such as how the statist stooges framed questions for Ron Paul during the presidential campaign debates. They might try that technique, but I doubt it because they know Larkin doesn't play inside the box and might just call them out on their bull****. Maybe the MSM stooges should go and watch the movie Network again. Hey Joel, prove us wrong, take Larken Rose up on his offer and stop your whining.”

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43. Walter F. WOuk said... on Jul 14, 2009 at 09:33AM

“I can't help wondering where these, allegedly, "freedom loving" protesters were during the 8-years prceeding the election of Barack Obama. Why didn't they protest when George Bush "tea bagged" the Constitution?”

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44. LarkenRose said... on Jul 14, 2009 at 04:14PM

“Walter, I, for one, spent the last eight years bashing "W" as the fascist, war-mongering collectivist psycho he is. (Go to and check out the "TMDS" blog if you doubt it.) The difference is, I didn't get all excited when someone suggested that his identical twin, Barack Obama, should be the new King of the World. Maybe if you stopped paying attention to the completely superficial, pointless bickering about "my leader is better than your leader," and the false "left" and "right" argument, you might hear from more people who actually like freedom.

And Dicktater, so far, it's been #2. No word from Joel yet. And I'm not holding my breath.

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45. Eric said... on Jul 14, 2009 at 07:25PM

“"... not holding my breath."

Me either.”

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46. BillNmetallurgist said... on Jul 15, 2009 at 08:48AM

“Poll vote - NO.
Joel Mathis is probably your typical liberal journalist whose hands are tied working for a conservative owner.
Interviewing the straightforward, honest speaking Larken Rose would be an unnecessary risk.
Let's hope the guy above holds his breath for 4 minutes (or longer).

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47. dicktater said... on Jul 15, 2009 at 04:20PM

“Joel, Perhaps Larken didn't "go down in a hail of bulltets in 2005 because he then still believed he could have a fair trial with a jury of his peers. I would imagine that since then, his opinion of the fairness of the judicial system in regard to taxes has changed as dramatically as the size of his (and many, many others) ammunition stockpile.

His trial was anything but fair with the judge refusing to allow the jury to see evidence clearly showing that the government failed to meet the three point burden of proof for willful failure to file. But then since you couldn't even get the offense correct, you must be completely ignorant of the what the law requires to be found guilty. What a dolt you are!”

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48. Stacy Litz said... on Jul 16, 2009 at 10:46AM

“Yes, thank you for the expected bias presented so blatantly in this article.

I suggest you do a little more research beyond the democrat left -- republican right political sprectrum . . . the issues presented at the tea parties show that left = right.

So, good job making the collective judgment that everyone at the event was REPUBLICAN/FOX NEWS SUPPORTERS.

And you call Mr. Rose an EXTREMIST? He's telling the truth! Supporting our founders . . . our Constitution -- that's EXTREME? Avoiding taxes becuase he believes that it is theft -- that's EXTREME?

Oh, but taking away ownership of our OWN bodies, invading our private property, printing money that is backed by nothing but thin air -- that's NOT extreme. Oh no, of course not.

"Living is easy with eyes closed."”

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49. WorBlux said... on Jul 16, 2009 at 11:27AM

“Right, Suzan the final draft of the constitution is four pieces of parchment.

Not only was GB Jr. a tyrant, but a person strangely ignorant of the document which supposedly gives him authority.”

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50. Don Adams, Independence Hall Tea Party III Publicity Committee said... on Jul 19, 2009 at 05:08PM

“It was extremely dishonorable of Mr. Mathis to smear the reputations of Tom Rice, Dom Giordano, Curt Schroder, Herb Deneberg, and 2500 Tea Partiers by associating them with comments made at an event they did not attend.

Unlike Mr. Mathis, the aforementioned appeared at an event hosted by the Independence Hall Tea Party Association on July 4th from 12-3pm at the People's Plaza on Independence Mall.

Conveniently, Mr. Mathis appeared on the scene long after the first event had ended and the enormous crowd, including the "conservative" dignitaries, had dispersed. By this time, another event was underway. Mr. Mathis witnessed Rose Larken's speech and then proceeded to lump both
events together.

Should the above dignitaries and the Independence Hall Tea Party Association be tainted by the comments of someone who spoke at different event? Should they be linked to all future comments made at the People's Plaza?

Mr. Mathis has been so unfair, he owes everyone an apology.”

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51. apatheticsheep said... on Jul 20, 2009 at 04:14PM

“Eric, your statment "[Larken] refuses to state from where his perceived rights stem" implies that you believe that rights are to be granted arbitrarily or "on a provisional basis" by other individuals or groups of individuals. If this is true then what we call rights are more akin to privileges, not "unalienable" in the least.
Is this what you believe sir?

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52. Samuel Adams said... on Aug 7, 2009 at 12:50PM

“I appreciate what some have pointed out, the importance of stating where our 'perceived rights' come from - from whence do they originate ?

I have a hard time believing that Larken Rose could be vague on this, judging by his admirable clarity stated here. His critics, like this author, likely, lack context.

Very simply, check the Declaration, our rights are 'inalienable' (meaning they don't originate with man or governments, thus cannot be taken away by them.)

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the politicla bands, which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the LAWS OF NATURE AND OF NATURE'S GOD entitles them......."

(Declaration of Independence, Paragraph 1)

So, the source cited by the Founding Fathers is:

1) Natural Law - "Laws of Nature"
2) Biblical Law - "(Laws of) Natures's God"

There you have it, Natural Law & God's Law !”

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53. Samuel Adams said... on Aug 7, 2009 at 01:13PM

“.....we must be clear on this: Inalienable, only come from a Transcendent God, are part of His character, as we are made in his Image.

This is the heritage of Religious Liberty hard won against wicked & usurpatious kings & princes of Europe, and articulated in the Reformation & it's political ramifications: The Founding of America.

Natural Law is more general, but more obvious than Biblical Law, which the founders called 'Revealed Law' - meaning God had revealed His will for man with great specificity.

Samuel Adams & the committees of correspondence - who organized the Principled response to British aggression & propaganda - declared that the King of Britain had conducted himself as no proper king, and had thus lost the right to govern the colonies "unfit to be the ruler of a free people".

They declared 'No King, but King Jesus'. Their fath in Christ & politics were inseparably linked. There are 5 particular references in the Declaration of Independence to God.....”

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54. Samuel Adams said... on Aug 7, 2009 at 02:22PM

“....without this acknowledgement, our defense of Liberty is hamstrung. What we are up against is the 'state acting as god on earth', using the (false) principle of 'might makes right'. Men may never play God. When they try to, disaster for humanity results. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and now, tragically, the Federal Government, aka 'the American Super State', which dictates to the several united States & all of us formerly free Christian citizens, what it as slavemaster decides to do, without restraint.

The only defense is to study the faith & reasoning that made America free & return to it. Without apology, and hopefully without delay. Read the Declaration. Study the Old & New Testament, the Bible.

Kill your TV (unhook your cable), read "Vindicie Contra Tyrannus" (google It) - the most read & studied document of the founding fathers. "Vindication against Tyrants" is the translation, it laid the groundwork for resisting the global British empire & it's tyrants.

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55. Samuel Adams said... on Aug 7, 2009 at 02:34PM

“....You may not have heard these expanations of the origin of American Liberty. Study the Founding Fathers in depth, you will learn what I've shared here is the unvarnished, unPC, not told in the last 100 years of Secularist dominated era. Ever heard that John Calvin, the reformed theologian of Geneva in the 1500's was considered the virtual 'founding father of America', even though he never set foot here & lived before the Pilgrims landed in 1620 ? My friend Reed Heustis wrote a great piece on it:

Fellow Patriots, I've taken & taught a course on Constitutonal Liberty you would love: Insittute on the Constitution. Take it online if ya got DSL or order the DVD course & teach it locally to your family, church, patriot group, etc:

Now is the time for citizen patriots to reactivate. Like Larken Rose asked: what will it take for us to awaken ? Examine the wisdom of our Founders !”


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